Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:11:12 08/24/01
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Well i didn't want to cause big confusion in the world champs, but it is 100% sure that again a few germans lied against me. In this case the gromit-team. They WERE using the Kure book the first so many rounds for sure. You can see in their own PGN file when they get out of book and compare that with the Kure tournament book. Prettty easy if a program not only plays the same opening lines as the Kure book but also gets out of book at the same time as Fritz does. They said litterary and repeated this twice: "we automatically generated a book". Well if that's true, then Kure would be jobless!! Loading for Junior a special Kure book against certain important opponents was then completely useless too! All junior+fritz would need then was letting the 2 gromit guys make a book for them as their automatic book 'concluded' 100% the same as the fritz tournament book! I was most upset about the fact that they even denied the thing. Every idiot who invests a bit of time can figure out they used one by looking at their PGN files. Of course i was bigtime upset when i played them. I ALREADY KNEW THIS BOGO INDIAN SETUP DOESN'T WORK AGAINST KURE. I didn't know when i played them that they were cheating however! I feel they stole 0.5 point from me! I would have used a special prepared anti-kure line with white against them when i would have known! Whether this would have been successful is of course not answerred and never will be answerred, but fact is that the Kure book plays a few mainlines and the chance you get into a side line, like i got against Ferret, that chance is zero. So only one of the prepared lines would have gotten on the board then, now a line where i already knew in advance i had a good chance to lose (in case of Kure usage which i didn't know before the game but when they got out of book at a position where Fritz also used to get out of book and that i combined the facts that they are german and were using the chessbase GUI and saw in some tournament bulletins some lines which i remembered from fritz-diep games which were played by Gromit, then i became realistic and could only conclude one thing which i later that night carefully verified) came onto the board! On August 23, 2001 at 15:19:11, Peter Berger wrote: >On August 23, 2001 at 14:26:01, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>I got the following anonymous message in my mailbox >>from another amateur: >> >>>>> >>dat van vincent over openingsboeken op CCC gaat idd over deepfritz.ctg, goliath >>gebruikte dat namelijk ook tijdens Leiden '01. Die had dus keurig deepfritz.ctg >>in zijn interface staan, maar dat verborg ie telkens nadat ie de interface >>opstarte >>>>> >> >>Bah! This is the kind of crap why I don't enjoy computerchess >>anymore. >> >>-- >>GCP > >In my opinion your post is a very ugly one, Gian-Carlo. > >You get an _anonymous_ message in your mailbox ! > >You post it here without translating and post it under the misleading title: > >Re: Gromitchess bookcheating (for Vincent DIEPEVEEN) > >If you wanted to contact Vincent Diepevenn , why didn't you use email ? > >What has this to do with GROMIT ??? > >The anonymous claim was about Goliath in Leiden . > >We know nothing about the fact if Vincent's protest was right. So why make this >up here ? > >It's even funnier if you remember yesterday's posts btw where Diep thanked >Carlos Pesce for his marvellous opening book _he_ used for his program. > >The real problem is the misuse of the Amateur title IMHO. > >Is this about making a living with the program ? > >Then Amir Ban and Shay Bushinsky are amateurs, too. > >Is it about selling your program ? > >Well, obviously not - else Gromit couldn't be told amateur ( neither Diep btw ) >. > >It is accepted that Alex Kure makes the Chessbase books and Jeroen Noomen the >Rebel books regardless of engine. > >They simply should call everyone that sells his program professional IMHO. > >When it is about Gromit : why is there a shadow over their success ? There only >was a claim by Vincent that he can't imagine them having such a good book >without cheating - come on ! And an anonymous email about Goliath that you >posted - thank you very much . > >pete
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