Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:22:39 08/24/01
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On August 23, 2001 at 14:59:31, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On August 23, 2001 at 14:48:27, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On August 23, 2001 at 14:42:54, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >> >>>On August 23, 2001 at 14:36:16, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>Use of commercial books is old hat. You will find that quite a few amateur >>>>programs use the fritz 4 book, and have done so openly for many years. >>> >>>Yes. This is the key issue. They did so openly. While I find >>>it a very weird idea that you can be an amateur and use a >>>professional book, lying about it is much worse. >>> >>>>If it is not spelled out as a rules violation, then it is not wrong to do so. >>> >>>Right and Wrong are not solely determined by written rules. > > >In a sporting event, right and wrong are determined by written and >unwritten rules. Was this not allowed by any of those? > > >>>>It probably *should* be specified one way or the other. I doubt that it has >>>>been or the problem would not arise. >>> >>>I agree 100% here. >>> >>>>At any rate, an entertaining tournament as always. Shredder has once again >>>>risen to the top, and certainly deserves every accolade. >>> >>>Darn. It almost looks like this thing can't lose :) >>>Why are we holding tournaments still :)) >>> >>>>And Gromit has obviously made enormous strides. >>> >>>With a dark shadow over those 'accomplishments'... >> >>From: >>http://213.191.70.91/shope/index.html >> >>We have this: >>"GROMIT >>by Frank Schneider and Kai Skibbe >> >>Gromit is a very slow engine in nodes/second. The authors prefer better >>positional evaluation over higher speed. They are successfull with this concept. >>Gromit doesn´t have to hide behind the fast tacticians. Tactical disadvantages >>are compensated with clean positional play. It allows less possibilities for the >>tacticians to use their strength. Frank Schneider used to develop Gromit on his >>own. With the new version he co-operates with Kai Skibbe. They rewrote the >>engine completely which did a lot of good to it. It's much stronger already. >>kN/s: 30-35, not faster in the endgame. Taktiktest: 90 solved in 10 seconds >>average >> >>DM 19,90 | Euro 10,17" >> >>Which I take to mean it is a professional engine [sold for money] and normally >>uses the Fritz book anyway n'est ce pas? > >Got another question here: What the heck is amateur then? What determines that? >the price? the sales volume? > >Regards, >miguel entry fee for amateurs is $100, that's already a bankrobbery considering that all other events i know the entry fee is either zero or you get even some drinks for free. entry fee for semi-professionals is $250 a complete ripoff. I entered as semi-professional in wccc99 but then the semi professional entry fee was $100 and amateurs were $50. Note i played on a quad then and most as far as i know would run single cpu (but many showed up quad too!!) If authors repeatedly said: "we generated this book ourselves and did not start or use anything from the Kure book", then what would be your conclusion? Looking in the rules some weeks later? They entered as AMATEUR and said that they generated the book themselves! Best regards, Vincent
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