Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:32:05 08/24/01
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On August 23, 2001 at 15:12:58, Dann Corbit wrote: >On August 23, 2001 at 14:59:31, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: > >>On August 23, 2001 at 14:48:27, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On August 23, 2001 at 14:42:54, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>On August 23, 2001 at 14:36:16, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>Use of commercial books is old hat. You will find that quite a few amateur >>>>>programs use the fritz 4 book, and have done so openly for many years. >>>> >>>>Yes. This is the key issue. They did so openly. While I find >>>>it a very weird idea that you can be an amateur and use a >>>>professional book, lying about it is much worse. >>>> >>>>>If it is not spelled out as a rules violation, then it is not wrong to do so. >>>> >>>>Right and Wrong are not solely determined by written rules. >> >> >>In a sporting event, right and wrong are determined by written and >>unwritten rules. Was this not allowed by any of those? >> >> >>>>>It probably *should* be specified one way or the other. I doubt that it has >>>>>been or the problem would not arise. >>>> >>>>I agree 100% here. >>>> >>>>>At any rate, an entertaining tournament as always. Shredder has once again >>>>>risen to the top, and certainly deserves every accolade. >>>> >>>>Darn. It almost looks like this thing can't lose :) >>>>Why are we holding tournaments still :)) >>>> >>>>>And Gromit has obviously made enormous strides. >>>> >>>>With a dark shadow over those 'accomplishments'... >>> >>>From: >>>http://213.191.70.91/shope/index.html >>> >>>We have this: >>>"GROMIT >>>by Frank Schneider and Kai Skibbe >>> >>>Gromit is a very slow engine in nodes/second. The authors prefer better >>>positional evaluation over higher speed. They are successfull with this concept. >>>Gromit doesn´t have to hide behind the fast tacticians. Tactical disadvantages >>>are compensated with clean positional play. It allows less possibilities for the >>>tacticians to use their strength. Frank Schneider used to develop Gromit on his >>>own. With the new version he co-operates with Kai Skibbe. They rewrote the >>>engine completely which did a lot of good to it. It's much stronger already. >>>kN/s: 30-35, not faster in the endgame. Taktiktest: 90 solved in 10 seconds >>>average >>> >>>DM 19,90 | Euro 10,17" >>> >>>Which I take to mean it is a professional engine [sold for money] and normally >>>uses the Fritz book anyway n'est ce pas? >> >>Got another question here: What the heck is amateur then? What determines that? >>the price? the sales volume? > >Speaking of which, I think it would have been very nice if they put designators >next to the programs so that we could see which categor[y][ies] they belong in. > >For some of the programs with "deep" in their name, it is fairly obvious. For >others, it is not so clear. For instance, I have no idea which programs are >attempting to compete as amateurs, though some seem to be obviously >professional. What about [however] Quest? I have never seen a program called >Quest offered for sale. Is it professional or amateur? Is the author having >been paid for *some* program enough to make a program professional? Can someone >simply rename their program and change its category? > >What about the "Young Talents CD"? There seem to be several programs on this CD >which are sold for money and are also entered into the tournament. Are they >professional? Are they amateur? How do we decide? May i beg your pardon Dann, Are you REALLY busy here to give the ICCA even more money as they already waste? I'm not here to buy the icca dudes another extra few set of meals at the most expensive restaurant and paying for their stay in the most expensive hotel in town. Note the ICCA dudes could drink & eat the entire tournament for free during the tournament. That's ok for me, but most likely that's getting paid by the sponsor, the money i paid someone in ICCA is wasting without EVER giving insight into their finances. Everyone pays for the ICCA like 100$ entry fee , quest paid of course 500$ entry fee and so did junior and so did shredder of course. However, could you show me WHERE that money goes to? Simply on PAPER? No one knows where the icca money goes to! All i know is that Levy again went bankrupt with 2.5M pounds of debt, his 4th bankrupty by the way (some insider told me that during the supper which btw was paid by CMG). What was posted here at CCC said that Levy's bankrupt thing debts basically were salaries paid to members of that company. So i read basically the name 'david' there. A guy who has gone bankrupt for 4 times might know quite a bit about money! For sure he doesn't disclose *any* information about where the entry fee went to! All i heart was next: - location paid by CMG - Hans Bohm paid by CMG - monitors from university brought in 50$ from the participants - entry fee of mine was 100$ - some people paid 250 or 500$ entry fee - Jaap wasn't in a 5 star hotel - closing evening paid by CMG (very good evening btw!) So in short CMG paid all major costs as far as i know. Where did that couple of thousands of dollar entry fee + monitor hire go to?
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