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Subject: Re: Have programs refuted any openings yet?

Author: Les Fernandez

Date: 10:43:18 08/24/01

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On August 24, 2001 at 12:58:47, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On August 24, 2001 at 12:51:34, Peter Hegger wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>For the average patzer like myself I'm sure the QGD, QGA, etc... will endure as
>>long as we do.
>>But in top level chess every nuance and permutation of an opening system could
>>mean its eventual demise.
>>My question therefore is: have any openings been refuted by computers to the
>>point where top level players will not adopt them anymore?
>
>
>I'm not the big expert here, but I have two thoughts on this topic.  First, most
>of the time the strong chess programs play with opening books, so they are not
>doing algorithmic calculation/evaluation of positions until well into the
>opening.  I think that's because the openings are sophisticated in ways
>computers are not, and practice has shown that they do very badly without the
>help of books.  Thus they are not given the chance to refute known openings.
>
>The second thought is that they probably have refuted some sub-sub-variations of
>some openings, although I can't come up with a specific example.  But they
>certainly haven't refuted some commonly-played opening, like QGD or QGA, such
>that a move that was commonly played as early as move 3 or 4 is now refuted.

A good person to ask this question to is Dann Corbit who is the founder of the
C.A.P. project.  This project has been in existence for about 4 years ( I
think).  What we do is analyze various chess positions by computers and Dann has
been gathering all this info into a large database.  I know that one of the
projects Dann launched some time ago was analyzing standard openings.

HTH,

Les



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