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Subject: Re: Tiger - Parsos??

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:30:05 08/24/01

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On August 24, 2001 at 14:09:26, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On August 24, 2001 at 13:52:10, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2001 at 12:15:36, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>Why played Tiger against Parsos first 20. Bb3+? and then 21. Bd5 ....?
>>>
>>>Here first the game:
>>>
>>>[Event "18th WMCC 6th Olympiad Maastricht "]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>[Round "9"]
>>>[White "Chess Tiger 14.6, AMD 1.4"]
>>>[Black "Parsos, 2x Intel 1.0"]
>>>[ECO "C96"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1
>>>b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 Bb7 11. b4 Nc4
>>>12. a4 d5 13. exd5 e4 14. Ng5 Qxd5 15. Nxe4 Nd6 16. f3
>>>Nfxe4 17. fxe4 Qg5 18. d3 Qg6 19. Qd2 f5 20. Bb3+ Kh8
>>>21. Bd5 Bh4 22. Bxb7 Bxe1 23. Qxe1 Nxb7 24. axb5 axb5
>>>25. Rxa8 Rxa8 26. Nd2 Qd6 27. exf5 Qxd3 28. Qe5 Nd6 29. f6
>>>Kg8 30. Kh2 Qf5 31. Qxf5 Nxf5 32. Ne4 Re8 33. Ng3 Nxg3
>>>34. Kxg3 Re2 35. Bf4 gxf6 36. Bxc7 Re3+ 37. Kf2 Rxc3
>>>38. Bb6 Kf7 39. Bc5 Ke6 40. Bf8 f5 41. Ke2 f4 42. Kf2 Kf5
>>>43. Bg7 Rb3 44. Bf8 Ke4 45. Bd6 Kd5 46. Bf8 Kc4 47. Bd6
>>>Rxb4 0-1
>>>
>>>On my P 600 Gambit Tiger 2.0 plays 20. Bb3+ (about after 8 minutes on P600)
>>>and 21. Bd5 too, see my analysis with 96 Mb hash:
>>>
>>>Chess Tiger - Parsos
>>>
>>>[D]r4r1k/1bp1b1pp/p2n2q1/1p3p2/PP2P3/1BPP3P/3Q2P1/RNB1R1K1 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Gambit Tiger 2.0:
>>>
>>>21.e5 Nf7 22.Bxf7 Qxf7 23.d4 a5 24.bxa5 Rxa5 25.Qb2 Qg6 26.c4 Bh4 27.Rf1 Qg3
>>>28.cxb5
>>>  ²  (0.46)   deph: 12   00:00:57  8750kN
>>>21.e5 Bh4 22.Rf1 f4 23.exd6 f3 24.Rf2 Bxf2+ 25.Qxf2 fxg2 26.Bf4 Qxd3 27.Kh2 Qxd6
>>>28.Bxd6 Rxf2
>>>  =  (-0.22)   deph: 13   00:02:29  22975kN
>>>21.Bd5 Bh4 22.Bxb7 Bxe1 23.Qxe1 Nxb7 24.e5 f4 25.d4 f3 26.Qf2 bxa4 27.Be3 Qe4
>>>28.Nd2
>>>  µ  (-0.80)   deph: 14   00:12:56  131697kN
>>>
>>>You can see that the "score" from Tiger is in deep 13 only -0.22 (for move e5),
>>>and in deep 14--> - 0.80 (for move Bd5).
>>>
>>>Why played Tiger then here not 21. e5?
>>
>>
>> Hi Eduard,
>>
>> Is this analyse in ChessBase? First impression is that your speed looks slow,
>> even for a P 600. This is an analyse from CP with P 800 and -0.64 for 21.e5
>>
>>
>>00:00:00.9	0,64	7	74087	e5 Bh4 Rf1 Nf7 d4 Be4
>>00:00:00.5	0,56	7	94383	e5 Bh4 Rf1 bxa4 Rxa4 Nb5 Qe2 Qg3
>>00:00:01.1	0,44	8	251070	e5 Nf7 Bxf7 Rxf7 e6 Rff8 Qf2 Bd6 axb5
>>                                        axb5
>>00:00:03.6	0,50	9	567257	e5 Nf7 d4 Bh4 Rf1 bxa4 Bxa4 Be4 Qe2 Qg3
>>00:00:07.5	0,40	10	1289063	e5 Nf7 Bxf7 Rxf7 axb5 Bh4 Rf1 Qg3
>>00:00:16.8	0,48	11	3051751	e5 Nf7 Bxf7 Rxf7 Rf1 bxa4 Qe2 a5 bxa5
>>                                        Bc5+ Kh2 Rxa5 d4
>>00:00:41.9	0,08	12	7975059	e5 Bh4 Rf1 f4 exd6 f3 Rf2 Bxf2+ Qxf2
>>                                        fxg2 Bf4 Qxd3 Kh2 Qxd6 Bxd6 Rxf2
>>
>>00:01:14.4	-0,64	13	14822781 e5 Bh4 Rf1 f4 exd6 f3 Rf2 Bxf2+ Qxf2
>>                                         fxg2 Bf4 Qxd3 Nd2 Qxc3 Rd1 Qxb4
>>
>>00:02:48.7	-0,52	13	35775715 Bd5 Bh4 Bxb7 Bxe1 Qxe1 Nxb7 Nd2 fxe4
>>                                         Nxe4 Nd6 Nxd6 cxd6 axb5 axb5 Rxa8
>>                                         Rxa8 Qf1
>>00:04:13.7	-0,62	14	54106201 Bd5 Bh4 Bxb7 Nxb7 e5 Bxe1 Qxe1 f4 d4
>>                                         f3 Qf2 a5 bxa5 Rxa5 Be3 Rxa4 Rxa4 bxa4
>>
>>Sune
>
>
>Yes, the analysis was under ChessBase, but under "Lokasoft-GUI" was the analysis
>total IDENTICAL (!) with "96Mb" hash - T can do this post!
>
>I can not understand, why you have a another scores ?
>
>Regards,
>Eduard

Do you have both all the game?

I know cases when an engine choose a different move when it has all the game and
not only the position.

Uri



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