Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 14:28:04 08/24/01
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On August 24, 2001 at 13:42:03, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On August 24, 2001 at 13:01:10, Christophe Theron wrote: >>Absolutely. >> >>I also wonder why nobody asked Amir what went wrong with Junior 7 when the SSDF >>match against Tiger began with 5-1 in favor of Tiger... >> >>It seems that people are now educated enough to understand that anything can >>happen even in a 10 games match, but not enough to understand that one game >>means very little. Strange, isn't it? > >this has nothing to do with education. >nor with maths. or statistic. >if your program is weaker, or you play against stronger hardware of the >opponent, your chances are lower. its not random. >i would say the chess base teams had stronger programs, faster machines or >they have been prepared better, or they had more luck, if you want. >but its not completely without reason. >take the games. lets replay the tiger games. maybe we understand what has >happened. > >>Or maybe it's because the game was played during the WMCCC? Naturally games >>played in these magic events do not follow the basic rules of statistics. > >?!? which magic rules of statistics ?? there are no rules. statistic interprets >world. not vice versa. > > >>People >>expect that a WMCCC game is 100% accurate, and that the strongest program (even >>if it is stronger only by 10 elo points) is going to win. > >you believe tiger is stronger than lets say junior, or even shredder ?! > > >>To the "what went wrong..." question, I think I can answer now: what's wrong is >>that people give so much importance to one game. > >but this way you will IMO not make much progress. > >>Sorry Harald, but your question has been getting on my nerves. I'm still amazed >>that you asked... > >i can pretty well understand that those kind of question are not >easy to stand. >but IMO one has to face the reality. >e.g. i do not believe that rebel century maastricht is a weak program. >but it failed in maastricht. >the games can show why. >also YOUR tiger games can show why. > > >> Christophe > >losing is not easy to stand. >but there comes the day when you come out of your home, the time was enough to >heal the wounds, and then you have to analyse what was wrong. no matter what >statistics says. Go a little easy on Christophe, one Day he was on a high, could not wait to get up date almost minute by minute result. Then the bottom more or less fell out. I agree with what he has said. One game, One Tournament does not, can not be relied upon as a accurate strength ruler. Having said this, it is my opinion that Christophe is very sensative right now, very dissapointed, but I think he must take a long hard look at his program performaces (notice I did not say poor performances) and try to ascertain if there is something he can learn from his programs play. One thing for sure we can all bet, whatever, Chess Tiger will improve and I think we are looking at a very very proud and motivated chess programmer. I will be watching, meantime I have his program and I am enjoying it and I believe that it is a top program, so does SSDF by the way. Just my thoughts Wayne
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