Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:41:51 08/25/01
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On August 25, 2001 at 04:49:34, Ed Schröder wrote:
>On August 25, 2001 at 03:51:31, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2001 at 00:07:39, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On August 24, 2001 at 19:14:34, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 12:33:26, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 11:41:47, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>With these losses it is justified that Tiger didn't become single world
>>>>>>champion. What is your explanation for this result? Did you play GT in
>>>>>>aggressive mode? What made Tiger lose especially the last game vs. an amateur?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I can answer your question if you answer mine:
>>>>>
>>>>>When you flip a coin, why is it head sometimes, and some other time it is tail?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christophe
>>>>
>>>>I hoped you wouldn't answer that way.
>>>>1st: IMO Tiger is the strongest program available, even if slightly ahead of the
>>>>others.
>>>>2nd: I am not disappointed about the Tiger result as you may suppose.
>>>>3rd: I am only curious how the rock solid and tactical safe Tiger could lose a)
>>>>vs. SOS (I'd have bet a lot that at least a draw is the worst result the Tiger
>>>>plays vs. an amateur) and b) HOW this could happen. Tiger did not really play as
>>>>usual.
>>>>4th: IMO the loss vs. DeepJunior was a desaster and I am astonished about
>>>>Tiger's play in that game.
>>>>
>>>>Why am I curious and astonished? Because I have seen *many* SUPERIOUR games
>>>>Tiger played. Of course he loses from time to time, but not vs. anyone and
>>>>especially Jeroen's opening preparation usually gives Tiger some advantage. That
>>>>makes me wonder.
>>>>
>>>>If you say "Statistics" now, well, accepted, but not really satisfied nor
>>>>convinced. Although it would suit to the explanation why Gromit placed so
>>>>high...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Statistics, period.
>>>
>>>Version 14.6 is not a risky attempt to create some kind of monster. It is built
>>>upon Chess Tiger 14.0 and Gambit Tiger 2.0, and has an even safer selectivity
>>>system.
>>>
>>>If you prefer it is Gambit Tiger 2.0 with a slightly better search.
>>>
>>>Let it play on the SSDF and it would achieve a better performance than Gambit
>>>Tiger 2.0.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Keep on your excellent work, I didn't mean to attack you, your program nor
>>>>anyone else from the Tiger team. If you understood it that way, I feel sorry for
>>>>this misunderstanding.
>>>
>>>
>>>I did not feel that was an attack, but simply the wrong question to ask.
>>>Especially from someone who has played a lot of chess matches and who should
>>>know that anything can happen in a game...
>>>
>>>If you look only at the 7 first rounds of the WMCCC, you conclude that this
>>>Tiger is the best program around. If you only look at the 2 last rounds, you
>>>conclude it's a piece of shit.
>>>
>>>Bottom line: please do not conclude anything.
>>>
>>> Christophe
>>
>>You still don't get my point. I conclude nothing. i only wondered that Tiger
>>could lose against SOS which I did not expect due to so many games I have seen
>>Tiger play and win. So in spite of statistics it made me wonder anyway. And I
>>was surprised HOW Tiger lost vs. Junior. Only these two points, nothing more,
>>nothing less. OK, let's put it into the category "bad luck" like Fritz lost to
>>ZChess last tourney or so.
>
>
>I remember Paris where Fritz ended 16th (or so) and 2 months later topped
>the Swedish list. Sometimes you have a bad tournament, it is as simple as
>that.
>
>Ed
And talking about this, I think that Fritz has been the most unfortunate program
in the few last W(M)CCCs.
The SSDF has clearly shown that Fritz was the strongest program against
computers for several years in a row (with some eclipse by Junior and Chess
Tiger), but Fritz even running on superior hardware never had the luck to win a
world title after 1995.
This should ring a bell to anybody having played a tournament at home including
Fritz.
I personally view achieving the first place at the SSDF as a much greater
achievement than winning the W(M)CCC tournament.
Christophe
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