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Subject: Re: 3 top authors in one room for a year

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 14:07:10 08/27/01

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As I recall, the original stipulation was $5 million per person.  It was a
made-up number, intended to reflect an amount of money large enough to get the
programmer to fully reveal all his algorithms, evaluation weightings, etc.  If
you prefer, user $100 million per programmer.  Or whatever.  )I'm not offering
anything -- it was purely hypothetical!)



On August 27, 2001 at 15:59:42, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 27, 2001 at 13:07:31, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On August 27, 2001 at 12:03:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 26, 2001 at 14:18:27, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok let's be clear here. I've been on several tournaments now and
>>>what i have learned about technical things from Stefan Meyer Kahlen
>>>in all those years is summarized in the next few new lines, which is
>>>about what the other 2 persons would learn too:
>>
>>
>>The theory here is that $5,000,000 might just loosen those tight lips -- no say,
>>no pay.
>
>All of the programmers share probably that they tried loads of different
>algorithms. Nowadays i already see in advance that something is usually
>not going to work, but if i would sum up what i have tried over the
>years that's already a lot, not to mention guys like Stefan, Frans
>etc.
>
>In short they could write books full of crap for that $5MLN without
>saying a thing.
>
>Also i think $5MLN divided by 3 persons is 1.6M, if you need to
>live the rest of your life from 1.6M then that's pretty little money
>to open your mouth!
>
>>We could just substitute another top author -- does Marty Hirsch still
>>have lots of unique knowlege?  (And I really wasn't trying to invite attacks on
>>individuals.)
>
>I'm not attacking any individual at all, i'm just saying
>that the combination of persons you mgiht want to is not going to
>reveal much for $1.6M
>
>(ah that was a bad bummer for you?)
>
>The persons that would show you every byte of their
>source code for 1.6M$ are not the guys you want, unless you
>go for promising programmers who have still have to make name.
>
>I definitely think that Marty Hirsch is a founder of computerchess,
>one of the great hero's from the past.
>
>Nowadays software is so much better than software from the past.
>
>The number of testers in computerchess that give programmers ideas
>you can count them all on 2 hands.
>
>Note that just 1 idea a year is also not going to work if the number
>of testers is that small.
>
>If i would have had to make a team my own i would be definitely inside,
>as i'm a chessprogrammer AND i can play chess. For implementation in
>assembly you need a smart guy like Frans Morsch, he'll give
>extra speed for free and he can make the search superb.
>
>For superb testing and fine tuning and focussing on the right plan
>in the position you get on the board i'd take Stefan.
>
>A strong bookmaker is definitely required. I would have hard problems
>picking either Jeroen Noomen or Alexander Kure.
>
>But well, if all details of such a project are going to get revealed,
>like source code, and book given free,
>
>I'm not so sure whether you can get all that for $5M only in that case.
>Would put a zero behind it to be sure.
>
>$5M is not so much if you need to split it.
>
>Also what most people overlook is that the programmer itself is
>a crucial man but for scoring not always the most crucial.
>
>A crucial part is the guy making a book too nowadays, and also crucial
>is the testteam the programmer has collected around him.
>
>Oh i forgot, i would also take Amir, to just get lucky at the worldchamps...
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent



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