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Subject: Re: 3 top authors in one room for a year

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 14:34:07 08/27/01

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On August 27, 2001 at 15:46:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>I didn't write that!

Not in so many words.  :)


>I NEVER wrote for example that i dislike Stefan,
>in contradiction i think he's a cool fellow!

I agree.

>How could you interpret my posting like that?

It's hard to determine what a person means by words on a screen.  Sometimes they
look harsh, but in reality are meant to mean something else.  Sorry if you were
a victim of this.  And sorry I took it the wrong way.

>He just like most commercials says shit and all they
>could do is go fight with each other!

I agree.  People with trade secrets don't share.  This is why they are called
"secrets"!  :)

>I can't remember any successfull chessprogram where the
>engines core has been made by more than 1 person!

UM, how about Junior?  Amir and Shay?!  What about Deep Blue?!

>Also in the 'dreamteam' i'm missing a programmer with
>chessknowledge. All what could happen with the dreamteam
>is Shredder getting a bit more forward pruning, borrowed
>from Tiger (though after trying it onto shredder he might
>not like it as the price might be too high).

Well, it's been said more than once, "you don't need chess knowledge to write a
chess program."  You are a better chess player than Hyatt, Bruce, Chris, Ed, and
Stefan.  However Hyatt, Bruce, Ed, Stefan, and Chris have all written the top
programs in the world, and none of them play, or claim to play, master strength
chess.

I am sorry I took your post as being harshful towards SMK.  But a lot of other
people did too.  So it's not just me.

>On August 27, 2001 at 12:55:45, Slater Wold wrote:
>>On August 27, 2001 at 12:03:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 26, 2001 at 14:18:27, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok let's be clear here. I've been on several tournaments now and
>>>what i have learned about technical things from Stefan Meyer Kahlen
>>>in all those years is summarized in the next few new lines, which is
>>>about what the other 2 persons would learn too:
>>
>>I am guessing you mean 1 of 2 things:
>>
>>1.) SMK doesn't know anything.
>>
>>or
>>
>>2.) SMK isn't willing to share anything.
>>
>>I guess I will tackle both.
>>
>>1.) SMK doesn't know anything.
>>*Well, that's interesting.  I don't care how tactical you think DIEP is,
>>Shredder is the world champ 5 years in a row.  You spoke of "several
>>tournaments" with SMK, how many times did you win that tournament?*
>>
>>and
>>
>>2.) SMK isn't willing to share anything.
>>*Well, he doesn't have an obligation to do so.  Not for any reason.  Not because
>>he likes you, or you like him, or you like his work, NONE.  These are
>>propiertary secrets, that more than likely have lead to him winning 5
>>championships in a row.  You too have a program, that is closed source.  Perhaps
>>SMK simply doesn't have the time to share information like you, Bob, and Bruce
>>do.  Perhaps he just doesn't want to lose these secrets.  Whatever the reason,
>>it's his choice to make, and no one should flame him for it.*
>>
>>I know you personally don't like Shredder, Vince.  But no need to try to flame
>>SMK for it.  You've already made a fool of yourself twice during WMCCC, no need
>>to do it any more.
>>
>>
>>Slate



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