Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 01:15:54 08/28/01
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On August 27, 2001 at 17:07:10, Roy Eassa wrote: but this is exactly the problem, $100M is not real to share with a bunch of persons. Note that a programmer earns like $100k a year, kure is both programmer AND working for chessbase. european salaries are lower than in the US, so he gets probably way less than $100k a year. A programmer in europe is about $40k a year (pretty little nah?), and that can double if they are real good. You'll never get $100M for such a project. You might get a rich old person pay for $2M or so, which isn't enough. >As I recall, the original stipulation was $5 million per person. It was a >made-up number, intended to reflect an amount of money large enough to get the >programmer to fully reveal all his algorithms, evaluation weightings, etc. If >you prefer, user $100 million per programmer. Or whatever. )I'm not offering >anything -- it was purely hypothetical!) > > > >On August 27, 2001 at 15:59:42, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On August 27, 2001 at 13:07:31, Roy Eassa wrote: >> >>>On August 27, 2001 at 12:03:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 2001 at 14:18:27, Roy Eassa wrote: >>>> >>>>Ok let's be clear here. I've been on several tournaments now and >>>>what i have learned about technical things from Stefan Meyer Kahlen >>>>in all those years is summarized in the next few new lines, which is >>>>about what the other 2 persons would learn too: >>> >>> >>>The theory here is that $5,000,000 might just loosen those tight lips -- no say, >>>no pay. >> >>All of the programmers share probably that they tried loads of different >>algorithms. Nowadays i already see in advance that something is usually >>not going to work, but if i would sum up what i have tried over the >>years that's already a lot, not to mention guys like Stefan, Frans >>etc. >> >>In short they could write books full of crap for that $5MLN without >>saying a thing. >> >>Also i think $5MLN divided by 3 persons is 1.6M, if you need to >>live the rest of your life from 1.6M then that's pretty little money >>to open your mouth! >> >>>We could just substitute another top author -- does Marty Hirsch still >>>have lots of unique knowlege? (And I really wasn't trying to invite attacks on >>>individuals.) >> >>I'm not attacking any individual at all, i'm just saying >>that the combination of persons you mgiht want to is not going to >>reveal much for $1.6M >> >>(ah that was a bad bummer for you?) >> >>The persons that would show you every byte of their >>source code for 1.6M$ are not the guys you want, unless you >>go for promising programmers who have still have to make name. >> >>I definitely think that Marty Hirsch is a founder of computerchess, >>one of the great hero's from the past. >> >>Nowadays software is so much better than software from the past. >> >>The number of testers in computerchess that give programmers ideas >>you can count them all on 2 hands. >> >>Note that just 1 idea a year is also not going to work if the number >>of testers is that small. >> >>If i would have had to make a team my own i would be definitely inside, >>as i'm a chessprogrammer AND i can play chess. For implementation in >>assembly you need a smart guy like Frans Morsch, he'll give >>extra speed for free and he can make the search superb. >> >>For superb testing and fine tuning and focussing on the right plan >>in the position you get on the board i'd take Stefan. >> >>A strong bookmaker is definitely required. I would have hard problems >>picking either Jeroen Noomen or Alexander Kure. >> >>But well, if all details of such a project are going to get revealed, >>like source code, and book given free, >> >>I'm not so sure whether you can get all that for $5M only in that case. >>Would put a zero behind it to be sure. >> >>$5M is not so much if you need to split it. >> >>Also what most people overlook is that the programmer itself is >>a crucial man but for scoring not always the most crucial. >> >>A crucial part is the guy making a book too nowadays, and also crucial >>is the testteam the programmer has collected around him. >> >>Oh i forgot, i would also take Amir, to just get lucky at the worldchamps... >> >>Best regards, >>Vincent
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