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Subject: Re: 3 top authors in one room for a year

Author: Adam Oellermann

Date: 05:28:45 08/29/01

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On August 28, 2001 at 10:38:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 28, 2001 at 07:08:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 2001 at 06:23:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 28, 2001 at 04:36:23, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 28, 2001 at 04:15:54, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 27, 2001 at 17:07:10, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>but this is exactly the problem, $100M is not real to share with
>>>>>a bunch of persons.
>>>>>
>>>>>Note that a programmer earns like $100k a year, kure is both programmer
>>>>>AND working for chessbase. european salaries are lower than in the US,
>>>>>so he gets probably way less than $100k a year. A programmer in europe
>>>>>is about $40k a year (pretty little nah?), and that can double if they
>>>>>are real good.
>>>>
>>>>The programmers that people talked about are not from USA and
>>>>I do not know about one programmer from USA who earns much from chess
>>>>programming because the best chess programs from USA that I know
>>>>(Crafty and Ferret) are not commercial programs.
>>>>
>>>>it is better to earn 1.6M$ now then earning 40K$ a year because
>>>>1.6M$ now can be translated to more than 40k$ per year.
>>>>
>>>>40k$ a year is not pretty little and most people in Israel
>>>>earn less than that.
>>>
>>>>I guess that even if Frans morsh earns 100K$ per year today he is going to be
>>>>happy to earn 40K$ per year for
>>>
>>>I do not know what Frans Morsch earns, i don't even know what
>>>royalty % he gets, but suppose chessbase sells for
>>>
>>>$10M worth of fritz (especially with kramnik in mind) then
>>>how much does a programmer get from that?
>>>
>>>Well i have heart different fees, but let's say he gets 25% of that.
>>>
>>>That's $10M / 4 = 2.5M$ the coming year.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Vincent
>>
>>Something in the assumption seems to be wrong because
>>I know that christophe or Amir do not live from computer chess.
>>
>>If you are right and programmers can get 25% of the money
>>and if chessbase can really get 10M$ in the next year
>>only from Fritz then
>>it means that Junior or tiger cannot get
>>even 10% of the sales of Fritz in the next year.
>
>Everything is perfectly right, Other engines than
>fritz sell less than 1% or so from what
>fritz sells would be my guess?
>
>junior or tiger, man my whole team has never heart of those
>chessprograms. All commercial chessbase makes is completely
>about and around fritz.
>
>That much that nowadays even other progs are sold as fritz, take
>pocket-fritz!
>
>>I believe that almost all of the chess players are not interested in
>>buying new programs because they are beated by the free programs or by the
>>the programs that they have and the number of customers
>>for buying chess programs is smaller than the number that you believe.
>>Uri
>
>This is your opinion, i must find the first person in netherlands who
>is able to install for example crafty under winboard.
>
>That's horror, horror and another time horror.

It's not *that* bad. It took me < 2 minutes, but I know my way around a PC. A
friend of mine who is a NATURAL/ADABAS person and knows very little about PCs
got WinBoard going with Crafty. I don't know how long it took him, but he didn't
complain about it being difficult. I'm sure there are several thousand in the
Netherlands who are using Crafty under Winboard.

- Adam



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