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Subject: Re: Berger supporting my claim

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:44:15 08/29/01

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On August 28, 2001 at 14:27:08, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On August 28, 2001 at 06:36:20, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 2001 at 06:22:29, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>On August 28, 2001 at 04:33:44, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>As i said people focus too much upon blitz instead of a serious
>>level. Berger here shows exactly what i mean by "search depths
>>in blitz say nothing".
>>
>>Here the output from the WMCC diep at this position:
>>
>>00:01 0 0 7048 (916) 5 0.166 Re4-e6 Kd6-c7 Bf5-e4 Kc7-b6 Re6-e7 Ne8-c7
>>00:01 0 0 10755 (916) 6 0.356 Re4-e6 Kd6-c7 Bf5-e4 Kc7-b6 Re6-e7 Ne8-c7 Re7-d7
>>00:01 0 0 24119 (2717) 7 0.121 Re4-e6 Kd6-c7 Bf5-e4 Kc7-b6 Re6-e7 Ne8-c7 Re7-d7
>>b5-b4
>>00:02 0 0 68835 (3713) 8 0.246 Re4-e6 Kd6-c7 Bf5-e4 Kc7-b6 Re6-e7 Ne8-c7 Kf4-e3
>>f6-f5 Re7-d7
>>00:02 0 0 162479 (8858) 9 0.431 Re4-e6 Kd6-c7 Bf5-e4 Kc7-b6 Re6-e7 Ne8-c7 Re7-d7
>> b5-b4 Kf4-f5 Rd8-g8
>>00:05 0 0 431936 (37973) 10 0.313 Re4-e6 Kd6-c7 Bf5-e4 Kc7-b8 Re6-e7 Ne8-c7 Kf4-
>>e3 f6-f5 Be4-f3 Rd8-e8 Re7xe8 Nc7xe8
>>00:29 0 0 4544254 (943137) 11 -0.282 Re4-e6 Kd6-c5 Bf5-e4 Ne8-d6 Be4-g2 Rd8-e8 R
>>e6xe8 Nd6xe8 Kf4-f5 b5-b4 Kf5-g6 Kc5-d4 Kg6-f7 Ne8-d6 Kf7xg7
>>++ e4-d4
>>00:31 0 0 4990064 (1001056) 11 -0.049 Re4-d4 Kd6-c7 Bf5-d7 Ne8-d6 Rd4-b4 Kc7-b6
>>Rb4-d4 Nd6-c4 Rd4-d5 b5-b4 Rd5-d4 b4-b3 a2xb3
>>++ f5-d7
>>00:34 0 0 5585175 (1165027) 11 -0.001 Bf5-d7 Ne8-c7 Kf4-f5 Rd8-b8 Kf5-g6 b5-b4 K
>>g6xg7 b4-b3 a2xb3 Rb8xb3 Kg7xf6 Nc7-d5 Kf6-g7
>>00:38 0 0 6328517 (1243771) 12 0.002 Bf5-d7 Ne8-c7 Kf4-f5 Rd8-b8 Re4-b4 Kd6-e7 R
>>b4-g4 Ke7-f7 Rg4-d4 Rb8-b6 Rd4-e4 b5-b4
>>00:53 0 0 8932792 (1643286) 13 0.004 Bf5-d7 Ne8-c7 Kf4-f5 Rd8-b8 Re4-b4 Nc7-a6 R
>>b4-b1 b5-b4 Kf5-g6 b4-b3 a2xb3 a3-a2 Rb1-d1 Kd6-e5
>>01:32 0 0 16303217 (2543814) 14 0.001 Bf5-d7 Ne8-c7 Kf4-f5 Rd8-b8 Re4-b4 Nc7-a6
>>
>>So it doesn't play Re6 at all.
>>
>>In short people shouldn't trust too much upon blitz level to
>>see how strong an engine is!
>>
>
>
>It took Diep 31 seconds to realize that Re6+ was weak?! It takes other engines
>(e.g., Tiger) less than 1 second.

but now try middlegame.

junior-tiger   f5?? was played by tige.r Diep needs 7 ply to see h5 is
better and at a ply or 11 the diff between h5 and f5 is not a lucky
few hundreds or something but already half a pawn in advantage for h5!





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