Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 09:51:07 08/29/01
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On August 29, 2001 at 08:54:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On August 28, 2001 at 13:28:34, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > >You are personally going to pay the $6000 entry fee for those 12 programs? >Because it's very unlikely i join a wmcc if i have to pay $500 entry >fee. The only exception being that i have a good chance to win >a world title which then commercially is worth something. > >Idem for all others. > >the reason the rules for amateurs versus pro's are so unclear is >because the icca want to rip the maximum amount of money without >losing too many participants! > >They did a pretty poor job imho, though the excuse is that only short >in advance we knew this wmcc was held in maastricht. > >What i wonder about is the number of participants NEXT year! > >Note that isichess is in the shops in germany so according >to your definition one of the most chanceless progs for >a world title should pay $500 in your childish viewpoint? You are still mixing the issue of categorizing the programs with the fee required for that category. They are different discussions. You set first the bar and then you choose how much you should charge, according to where you set the bar (maybe). I agree with Giancarlo in his childish viewpoint, after all being a child is not that bad. Isichess would a pro trying to make a profit out of it. Therefore, it should pay the whatever entry fee that the organization (whatever that it) determines for professional programmers (the professional are the programmers, not the programs). It could 500, it could be lower than that. Sorry, if isichess decides to make a profit, then it is not amateur in my book. Call it whatever you want, handicapped Champion or whatever but it is not amateur. You can distribute your program, charge for the disks and costs but you cannot make a profit. Of course, enforcing things like this would be difficult. Maybe a good category (whatever you decide to call it) would be one that you agree to allow ICCA to put the engine (binary) in a website for download after the tournament. No entry fee for this one, and anybody could compete. Regards, Miguel >Pathetic! > >How about saying something about the PR the icca made for this >tournament, considering some DID pay $500 entry fee? > >Vincent > >>I consider anyone who has ever sold his engine for money >>a professional, so taking that in mind, lets take a look at >>the Maastricht results again. >> >> 1 Deep Junior pro (sold) >> 2 Quest pro (sold) >> 3 Shredder pro (sold) >> 4 Gromit Chess pro (sold) >> 5 Chess Tiger pro (sold) >> 6 Rebel pro (sold) >> 7 Crafty pro (author opinion) >> 8 Goliath pro (sold) >> 9 Ferret pro (author opinion) >>10 Gandalf pro (sold) >>11 Parsos pro (sold) >>12 Diep pro (sold) >>13 Tao amateur >>14 IsiChess amateur >>15 Ruy Lopez amateur >>16 Pharaon amateur >>17 SpiderGirl amateur >>18 XiniX amateur >> >>So, the real 2001 Amateur champion is Tao by Bas Hamstra. >> >>Congratulations Bas! >> >>(Yes, I _am_ dead serious about this) >> >>-- >>GCP
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