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Subject: Re: Back in time

Author: Joshua Lee

Date: 11:16:49 08/30/01

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On August 30, 2001 at 08:50:52, Mark Young wrote:

>It has been suggested here that programs have made little progress in the last
>10 years other then hardware speed. Here is the list of top programs 6 years
>ago. Does anyone really think a program of 4, 6 or 10 years ago running on
>modern but equal hardware would have a chance of beating a Junior 7, Deep Fritz,
>Chess Tiger in a match. I think someone is pulling our legs.
>
>If the suggestion that programs have not progressed much is correct, then we
>have been suckered by all programmers who offer us so called better and stronger
>version of their programs.
>

The answer is yes, if you read the comments to the SSDF list they quote 79
points roughly per double
Take Rebel 7's 2416 on a pentium 90
which would be 2495 on a 200Mhz
and            2574 on the 450
and on the 1.2Ghz Athlon it will probably be more than 79points

2653 equal to Gambit Tiger 2.0 on a 450
ofcourse GT2 according to their 79point theory on the 1.2 Ghz should be around
2732 which sounds silly  c'mon you really think any program on a 1.2 ghz athlon
would be able to beat Capablanca at his peak ?? Wake the hell up but that is
another argument...





>
>
>THE SSDF RATING LIST 1995-11-26
>46104 games played by  146 computers
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                                           Rating   +     -  Games   Won
>                                           Oppo
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                                           ------  ---   --- -----   ---
>                                           ----
>   1 MChess Pro 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2458   45   -42   284   67%
>   2332
>   2 Genius 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2436   33   -31   498   66%
>   2318
>   3 Rebel 7.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2416   36   -34   416   63%
>   2325
>   4 Rebel 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2413   39   -38   340   61%
>   2334
>   5 Hiarcs 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2409   38   -37   357   62%
>   2325
>   6 MChess Pro 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2381   36   -36   376   56%
>   2338
>   7 Rebel 7.0 486/50-66 MHz                 2371   43   -41   288   62%
>   2282
>   8 Fritz 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2370   35   -34   419   58%
>   2311
>   9 Genius 3.0 486/50-66 MHz                2366   27   -26   750   65%
>   2255
>  10 R30 v. 2.5                              2357   79   -64   131   80%
>  2122
>  11 Mephisto Genius 2.0  486/50-66 MHz      2343   26   -25   757   60%
>  2272
>  12 WChess 1.06 Pentium 90 MHz              2327   36   -36   380   47%
>  2350
>  13 MChess Pro 4.0 486/50-66 MHz            2324   27   -27   666   57%
>  2278
>  14 Hiarcs 3.0 486/50-66 MHz                2311   28   -28   626   55%
>  2273
>  15 Rebel 6.0 486/50-66 MHz                 2310   26   -26   724   58%
>  2254
>  16 Chess Machine 30-32 MHz Schroder 3.1    2306   32   -30   546   68%
>  2175
>  17 Meph Genius 68 030 33 MHz               2302   53   -52   179   56%
>  2257
>  17 WChess 1.03 486/50-66 MHz               2302   30   -30   538   49%
>  2312
>  19 Ch.Machine 30 MHz King 2.0 aggr/R30 off 2301   22   -22  1070   67%
>  2173
>  20 Chessmaster 4000 486/50-66 MHz          2295   34   -33   462   66%
>  2175
>  21 Chess Genius 1.0  486/50-66 MHz         2291   26   -26   736   57%
>  2241
>  22 MChess Pro 3.5  486/50-66 MHz           2280   26   -26   731   56%
>  2236
>  23 Mephisto Gideon Pro  486/50-66 MHz      2275   35   -34   421   62%
>  2187
>  24 MChess Pro 3.12  486/50-66 MHz          2268   36   -34   438   69%
>  2125
>  25 Fritz 3.0 486/50-66 MHz                 2265   26   -25   747   56%
>  2225
>  26 Chess Genius 1.0  486/33 MHz            2252   33   -33   443   51%
>  2244
>  27 Mephisto Vancouver  68030 36 MHz        2234   37   -34   451   73%
>  2059
>  28 MChess Pro 3.12  486/33 MHz             2231   50   -48   208   60%
>  2157
>  29 Kallisto 1.82-1.83 486/50-66 MHz        2227   26   -26   742   48%
>  2244
>  30 Berlin Pro 68 020 24 MHz                2218   28   -27   676   63%
>  2123
>  31 Kasparov SPARC  20 MHz                  2213   28   -27   639   55%
>  2174
>  32 Mephisto RISC 1 MB ARM 2  14 MHz        2206   23   -22   978   60%
>  2133
>  33 Hiarcs Master 2.0  486/33 MHz           2205   46   -46   229   51%
>  2196
>  34 Saitek RISC 2500 ARM2 14 MHz 128K       2196   23   -23   935   59%
>  2132
>  34 Chess Machine Schroder 512K ARM2 16MHz  2196   27   -26   703   62%
>  2112
>  36 Chess Machine The King 512K ARM2 16MHz  2179   32   -32   472   56%
>  2139
>  37 Mephisto Montreux ARM  14 MHz 512K      2174   51   -46   238   72%
>  2007
>  38 Mephisto Vancouver  68020 12 MHz        2163   24   -23   935   68%
>  2027
>  39 Socrates 3.0  486/33 MHz                2145   49   -50   203   47%
>  2166
>  40 Fritz 2.0  486/33 MHz                   2138   30   -31   527   45%
>  2172
>  41 Fidelity Elite  68030 32 MHz (vers.9)   2121   40   -37   372   73%
>  1952
>  41 Mephisto Berlin  68 000 12 MHz          2121   25   -25   805   59%
>  2059
>  43 Mephisto Vancouver  68000 12 MHz        2104   23   -22   971   57%
>  2056
>  44 Novag Sapphire H8 10 MHz                2088   25   -25   787   52%
>  2071
>  45 Hiarcs Master 1.0  486/33 MHz           2073   48   -48   214   48%
>  2089
>  46 Fritz 1.0  486/33 MHz                   2042   48   -47   215   55%
>  2009
>  47 Nimzo 2.2.1 486/33 MHz                  2036   46   -47   229   42%
>  2091
>  48 Zarkov 3.0 486/25-33 MHz                2032   46   -48   232   39%
>  2111
>  49 Rex Chess 2.3  386/25-33 MHz            2029   65   -62   126   59%
>  1964
>  50 Kasparov Brute Force  H8 10 MHz         2019   24   -24   860   47%
>  2044
>  51 Novag Diablo  68000 16 MHz              2008   21   -22  1080   41%
>  2072
>  52 Fidelity Mach III  68000 16 MHz         1994   14   -14  2404   52%
>  1980
>  53 Complete Chess System  486/33 MHz       1986   47   -47   221   47%
>  2008
>  54 Mephisto MM 5  6502 5 MHz               1981   20   -20  1264   49%
>  1985
>  55 Kasparov President/GK-2100 H8 10 MHz    1975   29   -30   558   47%
>  1997
>  56 Mephisto Polgar  6502 5 MHz             1971   17   -17  1693   42%
>  2031
>  57 Mephisto Milano  6502  5 MHz            1966   24   -25   820   42%
>  2026
>  58 Mephisto Amsterdam  68000 12 MHz        1926   22   -22  1020   58%
>  1872
>  59 Kasparov GK-2000   H8 10 MHz            1897   29   -29   593   42%
>  1953
>  60 Mephisto Modena  6502 4 MHz             1896   28   -29   615   41%
>  1959
>  61 Psion Atari  68000 8 MHz                1882   18   -18  1487   44%
>  1928
>  62 Novag Ruby H8  10 MHz                   1878   30   -30   545   42%
>  1934
>  63 Saitek Turboking II  6502 5 MHz         1868   23   -23   963   37%
>  1964
>  63 Conchess Plymate Victoria 6502 5.5 MHz  1868   26   -27   701   40%
>  1941



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