Author: Uri Blass
Date: 20:58:05 08/30/01
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On August 30, 2001 at 23:47:47, Joshua Lee wrote: >On August 30, 2001 at 18:52:16, Lonnie Cook wrote: > >>On August 30, 2001 at 15:47:11, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 30, 2001 at 14:16:49, Joshua Lee wrote: >>> >>>>On August 30, 2001 at 08:50:52, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>It has been suggested here that programs have made little progress in the last >>>>>10 years other then hardware speed. Here is the list of top programs 6 years >>>>>ago. Does anyone really think a program of 4, 6 or 10 years ago running on >>>>>modern but equal hardware would have a chance of beating a Junior 7, Deep Fritz, >>>>>Chess Tiger in a match. I think someone is pulling our legs. >>>>> >>>>>If the suggestion that programs have not progressed much is correct, then we >>>>>have been suckered by all programmers who offer us so called better and stronger >>>>>version of their programs. >>>>> >>>> >>>>The answer is yes, if you read the comments to the SSDF list they quote 79 >>>>points roughly per double >>>>Take Rebel 7's 2416 on a pentium 90 >>>>which would be 2495 on a 200Mhz >>>>and 2574 on the 450 >>>>and on the 1.2Ghz Athlon it will probably be more than 79points >>>> >>>>2653 equal to Gambit Tiger 2.0 on a 450 >>>>ofcourse GT2 according to their 79point theory on the 1.2 Ghz should be around >>>>2732 which sounds silly c'mon you really think any program on a 1.2 ghz athlon >>>>would be able to beat Capablanca at his peak ?? Wake the hell up but that is >>>>another argument... >>> >>>Do you suggest that kapablanca's best rating was 2732 of today? >>> >>>I believe kapablanca at his peak was clearly weaker than 2732. >>> >>>today players know more about chess then they knew in the past and I am even not >>>sure if kapablanca with no more knowledge about opening and about the game could >>>be a GM. >> >>I totally agree, I think players of the past would be in for a rude awakening >>playing some of these programs today. >>> >>>We have no way to use only results to compare rating of players of today with >>>rating of players of the past. >>> >>>I also believe that 79 points per doubling is not correct and I expect old >>>programs like Rebel7 to get less than 79 points from doubling the speed. >>> >>>Uri > >No i believe you missunderstood the ssdf ratings are saying 2732 for some >programs on 1.2Ghz Capablanca was estimated at 2745+ at his peak I do not see how can you estimate the rating of kapablanca based only on results when kapablanca did not compete against the players of today. Rating for kapablanca based on results can compare kapablanca only with the players who lived in his time. Uri
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