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Subject: Re: Past - Presence : Genius 4 - Chess Tiger 14.1

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 21:11:24 08/30/01

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On August 30, 2001 at 18:24:38, Peter Berger wrote:

>A hot topic on CCC these days seems to be how hardware and software advances in
>computerchess correlate during the last
>10 years.
>
>After reading a lot of interesting posts this morning I felt inspired to do a
>little experiment.
>
>Mark Young wants to do experiments with older programs on present hardware and
>is convinced he'll find out that the newer
>programs will show considerable progress.
>
>I agree to his expectations.
>
>A few posters suggested that top chessprograms advanced about 200 ELO points in
>software alone in the last 10 years .
>
>Depends ..
>
>New programs will take advance of the superior hardware availlable also in
>design probably - so this test should be taken into
>both directions IMHO.
>
>So - looking around in my room my eyes suddenly feel on a dusty 486 computer
>sleeping in the corner of my room - and then
>suddenly my Palm began to beep in the briefcase ( the truth , not made-up) .
>
>In advance : there has been convincing data posted that Chess Tiger on a Palm is
>probably stronger than Chess Genius on a
>Palm by Werner Schuele.
>As Chess Genius on a Palm is said to be a port of the Mephisto Roma to Palm
>architecture
>we are talking about at least 14 years of development here though.
>
>So the contenders :
>
>Genius 4 ( which  isn't supposed to be superior to Genius 3 in public opinion -
>so 10 years isn't far away)
>on my 486DX50 computer ( in fact I don't really remember if it is 50 or 33 Mhz
>and dunno how to test) -
>so let's assume the 50 here with 4 MB RAM , so 1 MB availlable for hash
>-> clearly a program of the past
>
>against
>
>ChessTiger 14.1 on Palm Vx overclocked as much as possible with AfterBurner ->
>clearly a present top program
>
>I am no hardware freak so if this is very unfair I should be informed - it's
>simply what was availlable here.
>
>I decided on games in 15 minutes ( dunno why ) .
>
>It probably should be added that I am a fan of the ChessTiger program now and
>have been a fan of ChessGenius in the past- so
>I was simply curious .

I agree with christophe that the time control is too fast.

I am more interested what happens at tournament time control(120/40)
and I believe that tiger earns more from time because Genius is optimized for
blitz.

Uri



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