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Subject: Re: Past - Presence : Genius 4 - Chess Tiger 14.1

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 23:44:52 08/30/01

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On August 31, 2001 at 02:34:47, Peter Berger wrote:

>On August 31, 2001 at 00:11:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>I agree with christophe that the time control is too fast.
>>
>
>Christophe said nothing like that . He expressed his concern that the 486
>computer is still too fast compaired to a Palm and his speed numbers indeed
>suggest this is probably true ( his idea to make up for this with the longer
>time conrol assumes diminishing returns btw, doesn't it ;) ? ).


No I just assume better branching factor from my program.

Tiger needs less time than Genius to complete each successive iteration, and the
effects of this better branching factor shows up more clearly when more
iterations (ply depths) are completed.

In sports, we would say that Genius has more explosive power (is a good
sprinter) but gets tired very quickly. So if the race lasts longer, Tiger does
not get tired when Genius is exhausted already.

You are not going to see this difference if you let them run only short races.




> I will have to
>think about how to get a good and valid test of speed.
>
>>I am more interested what happens at tournament time control(120/40)
>
>Then please test it :).
>
>>and I believe that tiger earns more from time because Genius is optimized for
>>blitz.
>
>People keep saying that all the time .. I don't buy it - a little excerpt from
>the SSDF list:
>
>  61 Shredder 1.0 Pentium 90 MHz             2282   59   -58   145   53%  2263
>  62 Nimzo 3.0  Pentium 90 MHz               2279   26   -25   767   58%  2220
>  63 R30 v. 2.5                              2274   41   -38   343   69%  2135
>  64 Hiarcs 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2273   30   -30   545   56%  2228
>  65 Genius 4.0 DOS 486/50-66 MHz            2265   23   -23   900   49%  2269
>  66 Junior 3.3-3.5  Pentium 90 MHz          2257   31   -31   516   47%  2277
>  67 Genius 3.0 486/50-66 MHz                2255   24   -23   910   62%  2168
>  68 MChess Pro 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2254   29   -29   578   52%  2238
>  69 CometA90  64MB P200 MMX                 2252   37   -39   358   36%  2351
>  70 192  64MB P200 MMX                      2248   44   -46   248   41%  2316
>  71 Fritz 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2240   18   -19  1438   42%  2297
>  72 Mephisto Genius 2.0  486/50-66 MHz      2235   23   -23   917   58%  2176
>  73 Fritz 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2233   40   -39   324   60%  2163
>  74 WChess 1.06 Pentium 90 MHz              2230   20   -20  1222   39%  2308
>  75 MChess Pro 5.0 486/50-66 MHz            2227   26   -26   691   50%  2229
>  76 Kallisto 1.98 Pentium 90 MHz            2226   21   -22  1049   42%  2283
>
>It seems that Genius 4 is the strongest computer program tested on 486 CPUs so
>far at tournament time control and can even compete with Shredder 1 , Nimzo 3
>and Fritz 4 on Pentium 90 and Comet A90 on Pentium 200 MMX .
>
>If you think about it - how did Genius get all of its WM titles with its said
>blitz optimization ?


"Blitz" means nothing. It all depends on the speed of the computer.

Blitz for an Athlon 1200 is (very) long time controls for a 386.

I would not say that Genius is optimized for blitz. I would just say that modern
programs have better branching factors, and if you follow the explanation given
above it tells you why Genius was so good when computers were slow (or on fast
computers at blitz/bullet time controls).



    Christophe



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