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Subject: Re: Deep Blue versus Deep Thought - a missing position

Author: John Merlino

Date: 07:56:24 08/31/01

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On August 30, 2001 at 09:36:26, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 30, 2001 at 07:45:34, Kim Roper Jensen wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>If my memory(heavily fragmented) serves me well there was some games, where the
>>DB played against DT, and in one of them DB "announced" mate in 18, a very
>>complicated position where the mate consisted of quiet moves and some
>>counterchecks.
>>
>>Are there anyone that have this position ?? Or is my memory corrupted  ??? :)
>>
>>With regards
>
>I know of no public games between DB and DT.
>
>I had a mate in 18 against abir har aven
>when no commercial program can see the mate and I found the mate only
>by going forward and backward with chessmaster
>that is the best in finding mates.
>
>chessmaster6000(ss=10)could not find the mate in a few hours
>on PIII850 and it means that probably no program can do it
>in a reasonable time.
>
>I posted the position some weeks ago and yace also could see the mate
>after going forward and backward but not from the root position.
>
>Uri

This is very strange, because Chessmaster 8000 (default personality) on my
PIII-733, has no problem and finds the mate in 18 in 2 seconds (although, for
some reason, it only reports the first 16 of the moves....hmmm.... I think I
remember Johan saying something about a PV having a maximum number of plies and
now I believe it is 31):

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	0.00	12278		1. Rxh7+ Kxh7 2. Qh5+ Kg8 3. Rxg7+
					Kxg7 4. Bh6+ Kh8 5. Bg5+ Kg8 6.
					Qg6+ Kh8 7. Qh5+
0:00	2/5	0.00	65310		1. Rxh7+ Kxh7 2. Qh5+ Kg8 3. Rxg7+
					Kxg7 4. Bh6+ Kh8 5. Bg5+ Kg8 6.
					Qg6+ Kh8 7. Qh5+
0:02	2/6	Mate18	184360		1. Rxh7+ Kxh7 2. Qh5+ Kg8 3. Rxg7+
					Kxg7 4. Bh6+ Kh8 5. Bg5+ Kg7 6.
					Qh6+ Kf7 7. Qf6+ Kg8 8. Qg6+ Kh8
					9. Bf6+ Rxf6 10. exf6 Qxe1+ 11.
					Kxe1 Nc2+ 12. Kf1 Ne3+ 13. fxe3
					Rd7 14. Qe8+ Kh7 15. Qxd7+ Ne7
					16. Qxe7+
0:04	3/7	Mate18	562164		1. Rxh7+ Kxh7 2. Qh5+ Kg8 3. Rxg7+
					Kxg7 4. Bh6+ Kh8 5. Bg5+ Kg7 6.
					Qh6+ Kf7 7. Qf6+ Kg8 8. Qg6+ Kh8
					9. Bf6+ Rxf6 10. exf6 Qxe1+ 11.
					Kxe1 Nc2+ 12. Kf1 Ne3+ 13. fxe3
					Rd7 14. Qe8+ Kh7 15. Qxd7+ Ne7
					16. Qxe7+
0:10	3/8	Mate18	1391527		1. Rxh7+ Kxh7 2. Qh5+ Kg8 3. Rxg7+
					Kxg7 4. Bh6+ Kh8 5. Bg5+ Kg7 6.
					Qh6+ Kf7 7. Qf6+ Kg8 8. Qg6+ Kh8
					9. Bf6+ Rxf6 10. exf6 Qxe1+ 11.
					Kxe1 Nc2+ 12. Kf1 Ne3+ 13. fxe3
					Rd7 14. Qe8+ Kh7 15. Qxd7+ Ne7
					16. Qxe7+

jm



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