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Subject: Deep Shredder & Nolot -=- 85 minutes a position -=- Long post

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 16:31:12 08/31/01


Ok, here's my stab at Nolot with Deep Shredder on my 2x1.7Ghz.  I gave it 85
minutes a move.

Here are the results:

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position:  bm Nxh6; id "Position 1";
solution : Ng4xh6!
  7.03	 0:01 	-2.16++ 	1.Rf3 c3 2.Bc1 h5 3.Nh2 (430.034) 423.2
  7.03	 0:01 	-1.81++ 	1.Rf3 c3 2.Ba3 Rc8 3.Ne3 Ba8 4.Bxb4 Nxb4 (472.007) 419.5
  7.03	 0:01 	-1.66 	1.Rf3 c3 2.Ba3 Rc8 3.Ne3 Qd7 4.Nxd5 Nxd5 5.Rxc3 Nxc3 6.Nxc3
(556.339) 418.9
  7.13	 0:02 	-1.65++ 	1.Qd2 Qxa4 2.Nxh6 Qb5 3.Nf7+ Kg8 (837.289) 409.0
  7.13	 0:02 	-1.65 	1.Qd2 Nd3 2.Bxd3 cxd3 3.Nh2 Qxa4 4.Nxd6 Rxd6 5.Qxd3
(937.805) 413.8
  7.40	 0:02 	-1.47++ 	1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Ne3 Qxa4 3.Nf6 (1.049.036) 411.8
  7.40	 0:02 	-1.47 	1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Ne3 Qxa4 3.Nf6 (1.049.456) 412.0
  8.01	 0:02 	-1.47 	1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Ne3 Qxa4 3.Nf6 (1.055.950) 411.9
  9.01	 0:06 	-1.22++ 	1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Ne3 Nxe3 3.Rexe3 Qxa4 4.Ng5 d5 5.Rxe6 hxg5
6.Rxg5 (2.710.168) 419.9
  9.01	 0:07 	-1.15 	1.Qd4 Rc8 2.Ne3 Nxe3 3.Rexe3 Qd7 4.Nc3 Rxe3 5.Rxe3 d5 6.Be4
Bc5 (3.324.457) 422.1
 10.01	 0:13 	-1.40-- 	1.Qd4 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 d5 4.Kh2 dxe4 5.Nf6 gxf6
6.Qd8 Qxd8 (5.994.582) 429.6
 10.01	 0:17 	-1.90-- 	1.Qd4 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 d5 4.Kh2 dxe4 5.Nf6 gxf6
6.Qd8 Qxd8 (7.459.813) 433.6
 10.01	 0:22 	-2.17 	1.Qd4 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Qxb4 Nxe4 4.Qxb7 Rb8 5.Qxb8 Qxb8
6.Bxe4 Qb4 7.Rge3 Qxa4 (9.803.655) 439.9
 10.07	 0:36 	-2.16++ 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 a5 4.Qd4 Rxh6 5.Rcc1
(15.827.996) 437.2
 10.07	 0:38 	-1.90 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 Rxh6 4.Rc7 Qb8 5.Qc1 Nd5 6.Rd7
(16.718.439) 436.9
 11.01	 0:58 	-1.75 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 Rxh6 4.Ng5 Qd7 5.Qg4 Qxg4
6.Nf7+ Kg8 7.Nxh6+ gxh6 8.hxg4 (25.096.920) 432.3
 12.01	 1:47 	-1.87 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Bxc3 Nxc3 3.Rxc3 Rxh6 4.Ng5 Qh5 5.Rc7 Qxg5
6.Rxb7 d5 7.Qb3 Qd2 (46.862.447) 434.0
 13.01	 7:09 	-1.62++ 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Nf5 cxb2 3.Qg4 Qxa4 4.Nexd6 Rxe1+ 5.Kh2 Rxb1
6.Nf7+ Kh7 7.Qh4+ Kg8 8.N5h6+ Kh7 9.Ng5+ Kh8 10.Nhf7+ Kg8 (187.767.846) 437.0
 13.01	 8:29 	-1.13 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Nf5 cxb2 3.Qg4 g6 4.Re2 Qd7 5.Nh4 Qc8 6.Nxg6+
Rxg6 7.Qxg6 Qc1+ 8.Kh2 Na2 9.Bxa2 (222.747.108) 437.3
 14.01	21:19 	-0.88++ 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Nf5 cxb2 3.Qg4 g6 4.Re2 Qd7 5.Nh4 Qc8 6.Nxg6+
Rxg6 7.Qxg6 Qc1+ 8.Kh2 Na2 9.Bxa2 (564.209.285) 441.0
 14.01	30:17 	-0.38++ 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Nf5 cxb2 3.Qg4 g6 4.Re2 Qd7 5.Nh4 Qc8 6.Nxg6+
Rxg6 7.Qxg6 Qc1+ 8.Kh2 Na2 9.Bxa2 (801.230.111) 440.8
 14.01	41:52 	-0.26 	1.Nxh6 c3 2.Nf5 cxb2 3.Qg4 g6 4.Re2 Nf4 5.Qh4+ Kg8 6.Nf6+
Rxf6 7.Rxe8 Rxe8 8.Qxf6 Re1+ 9.Kh2 Rxb1 10.Ne7+ (1.100.746.936) 438.0
best move: Ng4xh6 time: 85:00.203 min  n/s: 437.915  CPU 199.8%  nodes:
2233.457.713
right solution! (0:36.203) 10
right until now: 1 of 1

** Weird.  It takes DT-2 at least 6 hours to find this, while Deep Shredder
finds the _EXACT_ same varation in a little over 8 minutes.  However, like Bruce
says, there sure isn't a big score.  Deep Shredder thinks it's the best move,
but only based on it loses the least.  While actually it's winning. **

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position:  bm Rxc5; id "Position 2";
solution : Rc1xc5!
  7.01	 0:00 	-3.19 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Kd1 Bb4 3.Bxf8 Rxf8 4.Rc7 Nxe5 5.Nf6+ Kh8
6.Rxb7 Bxd6 7.Rxa7 (387.822) 468.3
  8.01	 0:02 	-2.94++ 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Bb4+ 3.Kf2 Nxe5 4.Qf6 Nd3+ 5.Kg1 Bc5+
6.Nxc5 Qxc5+ 7.Rxc5 Nd7 8.Bxf7+ Rxf7 (1.331.180) 470.7
  8.01	 0:03 	-2.94 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Rae8 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Bxf8 Rxf8 5.Qd2 Nd3+
6.Ke2 (1.551.523) 472.8
  9.01	 0:06 	-2.69++ 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Rae8 3.Rxc5 Nxc5 4.Qf6 Nd3+ 5.Kd2 Qxe5
6.Kxd3 Nd7 7.Qxe5 Nxe5+ 8.Ke3 (3.224.691) 478.7
  9.01	 0:07 	-2.69 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Rae8 3.Rxc5 Nxc5 4.Qf6 Nd3+ 5.Kd2 Qxe5
6.Kxd3 Nd7 7.Qxe5 Nxe5+ 8.Ke3 (3.595.562) 479.4
 10.01	 0:14 	-2.94-- 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Bb4+ 3.Kf2 Qxe5 4.Qxe5 Nxe5 5.Nf6+ Kh8
6.Bxf8 Nd3+ 7.Ke3 Nxc1 (7.019.834) 476.9
 10.01	 0:17 	-3.05 	1.Bh6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Bb4+ 3.Kf2 Qxe5 4.Qxe5 Nxe5 5.Nf6+ Kh8
6.Bxf8 Nd3+ 7.Ke3 Nxc1 (8.488.400) 479.8
 10.02	 0:41 	-3.04++ 	1.Bf6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Nd5 3.Bxd5 Bb4+ 4.Kf2 Qxd5 5.Qh6 Bxd6
6.exd6 Qxd6 7.Nxd6 Nxf6 (19.234.768) 466.1
 10.02	 0:53 	-2.69++ 	1.Bf6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Nd5 3.Bxd5 Bb4+ 4.Kf2 Qxd5 5.Qh6 Bxd6
6.exd6 Rac8 7.Qg7+ (25.106.202) 466.8
 10.02	 2:48 	 0.00 	1.Bf6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Qa5+ 3.Rc3 Nxf6 4.Nxf6+ Kg7 5.Nh5+ gxh5
6.Qf6+ Kg8 7.Qg5+ Kh8 8.a4 (77.957.450) 463.9
 11.01	 4:49 	 0.00 	1.Bf6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Qa5+ 3.Rc3 Nxf6 4.Nxf6+ Kg7 5.Nh5+ gxh5
6.Qf6+ Kg8 7.Qg5+ Kh8 8.Qf6+ Kg8 9.Qg5+ (134.981.715) 465.9
 12.01	13:34 	 0.00 	1.Bf6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Qa5+ 3.Rc3 Nxf6 4.Nxf6+ Kg7 5.Nh5+ gxh5
6.Qf6+ Kg8 7.Qg5+ Kh8 8.Qf6+ Kg8 9.Qg5+ (378.512.225) 464.7
 13.01	37:58 	 0.00 	1.Bf6 Qb5+ 2.Ke1 Qa5+ 3.Rc3 Nxf6 4.Nxf6+ Kg7 5.Nh5+ gxh5
6.Qf6+ Kg8 7.Qg5+ Kh8 8.Qf6+ Kg8 9.Qg5+ (1.056.803.030) 463.9
 13.02	81:26 	+0.01++ 	1.Rxc5 Nxc5 2.Nf6+ Kh8 3.Qh4 Qb5+ 4.Ke3 Qd3+ 5.Kf2 h5
6.Nxh5 Ne4+ 7.fxe4 Qd4+ 8.Kf1 Qd3+ 9.Ke1 Qb1+ 10.Bd1 Nd5 11.Nf6+ (2.265.994.522)
463.7
best move: Rc1xc5 time: 85:00.281 min  n/s: 463.716  CPU 199.8%  nodes:
2365.085.176
right solution! (81:26.375) 13
right until now: 2 of 2

** Takes 81 minutes to find this!  DT-2 takes 4.5 and has it +1.00!  Ferret on a
2x1.2Ghz AMD takes 15 seconds to find this.  Bruce believes it's a little luck,
and a little sensitive to extensions. **

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position:  bm Nxg5; id "Position 3";
solution : Nf3xg5!
  7.01	 0:01 	+0.16 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.Rf1 O-O 3.Qc2 h6 4.Bh7+ Kh8 5.Ne2 Be3
(574.862) 448.7
  8.01	 0:02 	+0.41++ 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O O-O 3.Qc2 Be3+ 4.Kh1 Bxf3 5.Bxh7+ Kh8
6.gxf3 (944.056) 454.3
  8.01	 0:02 	+0.56 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Qe1 O-O 4.Nxg5 Qxg5 5.Qc1 Rxf1+
6.Nxf1 Qxc1 7.Rxc1 Rf8 (1.305.907) 456.7
  9.01	 0:04 	+0.47 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.h3 Bxf3 4.Qxf3 O-O-O 5.Qg4 Be3+
6.Kh2 a6 7.Rae1 (2.075.184) 467.5
 10.01	 0:09 	+0.58 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qd7 3.h3 Bxf3 4.Qxf3 O-O-O 5.Rf2 Ne7
6.Raf1 a6 7.Qg4 (4.284.405) 474.4
 11.01	 0:24 	+0.63 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Kh1 O-O-O 4.Qa4 Bxf3 5.Rxf3 Rdf8
6.Rxf8+ Rxf8 7.Bb5 Rf2 8.Rb1 Qd7 (11.428.473) 460.8
 12.01	 0:58 	+0.63 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Kh1 O-O-O 4.Qa4 Bxf3 5.Rxf3 Rdf8
6.Rxf8+ Rxf8 7.Bb5 Rf2 8.Rb1 Qd7 (26.401.394) 454.9
 13.01	 2:48 	+0.64 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Qa4 O-O 4.Nxg5 Qxg5 5.Qc2 Qh4
6.Rxf8+ Rxf8 7.Rf1 (74.514.737) 441.3
 14.01	 7:18 	+0.66 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Qa4 O-O 4.Nxg5 Qxg5 5.Kh1 Qd2 6.Qb5
Ne7 7.Rxf8+ Rxf8 8.Nf1 Qf2 9.Qxb7 (192.467.684) 438.9
 15.01	19:30 	+0.64 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Qa4 O-O 4.Nxg5 Qxg5 5.Qc2 Qe3+
6.Kh1 Qh6 7.h3 (510.646.377) 436.1
 16.01	76:11 	+0.60 	1.Bxg5 Bxg5 2.O-O Qe7 3.Kh1 Bh6 4.h3 Bxf3 5.Qxf3 O-O-O
6.Qg4 Rdf8 7.Rxf8+ Rxf8 8.Bxh7 (1.984.974.880) 434.2
best move: Bc1xg5 time: 85:00.031 min  n/s: 434.277  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2214.830.689
wrong solution!
right until now: 2 of 3

** It doesn't find this at all.  HOWEVER, based on commentary by Hsu, Bxg5 might
actually be better!  It plays Bxg5 from the start, and have a pretty stable
score for it.  I believe DT-2 must have played Bxg5 also. **

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position:  bm Nxe6; id "Position 4";
solution : Nd4xe6!
  9.01	 0:02 	+0.60 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.f4 Be7 3.e5 dxe5 4.Bxf6 Bxf6 5.Nd5 (990.541)
443.3
 10.01	 0:05 	+0.56 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 Rb8 4.f3 Qb6 5.Be3 O-O
(2.577.926) 441.1
 11.01	 0:13 	+0.56 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 Nc5 4.Be3 O-O 5.f3 Bd7 6.Bh6
(5.952.800) 439.9
 12.01	 0:32 	+0.50 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 O-O 4.Rfd1 Qb6 5.Bh6 Ne8 6.Nf3
(14.292.238) 439.7
 13.01	 1:39 	+0.45 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Nc5 3.Qe3 Be7 4.Nb3 Nxb3 5.axb3 O-O 6.f3 b6
(43.002.382) 431.3
 14.01	 4:04 	+0.48 	1.Be2 Qc7 2.Qd3 Be7 3.Qg3 b5 4.Rad1 Bb7 5.Bd2 g6 6.f3 Nh5
7.Qg4 (105.221.890) 430.6
 14.08	 6:35 	+0.49++ 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qf5 4.Qe1+ Ne5 5.f4 g6
6.fxe5 Qxg5 7.exd6+ Kd8 8.Qa5+ Ke8 9.Rae1+ Kd7 (173.059.038) 437.9
 14.08	 7:02 	+0.84++ 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qf5 4.Qe1+ Ne5 5.f4 g6
6.fxe5 Qxg5 7.exd6+ Kd8 8.Qa5+ Ke8 9.Rae1+ Kd7 (184.856.554) 438.0
 14.08	 9:17 	+1.48 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
Qxa2 7.Nxf6 h6 8.Bh4 Rb8 9.Nxd7+ Kxd7 10.Qd3 (245.989.961) 441.1
 15.01	13:27 	+1.46 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
Qa3 7.Nxf6 Bb5 8.Nd5+ f6 9.Nxf6 Be7 (358.123.940) 443.6
 16.01	31:47 	+1.23 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
Qxa2 7.Bxf6+ gxf6 8.Qd4 Be7 9.Qb6+ Ke8 10.Nc7+ Kf8 11.Nxa8 Bc6 12.Qd4
(864.794.845) 453.3
 17.01	81:46 	+1.34 	1.Nxe6 Qxe6 2.Nd5 Kd8 3.Bg4 Qe5 4.f4 Qxb2 5.Bxd7 Bxd7 6.Rb1
Qa3 7.Qd4 Qc5 8.Qxc5 dxc5 9.Nxf6 (2.228.876.834) 454.2
best move: Nd4xe6 time: 85:00.328 min  n/s: 454.276  CPU 199.8%  nodes:
2316.960.693
right solution! (6:35.172) 14
right until now: 3 of 4

** Plays Nxe6 in in a little over 6 minutes.  DT-2 takes 2.5 hours.  Ferret
takes 34 hours, and has the score +1.00. **

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position:  bm e5; id "Position 5";
solution : e4-e5!
  8.01	 0:00 	+0.48 	1.Nce2 e5 2.Nf5 Bxf5 3.Rxf5 Rc8 4.Rgf1 Qb6 5.Bf7 Red8
(404.384) 438.5
  9.01	 0:02 	+0.73++ 	1.Nce2 e5 2.Nf5 Bxf5 3.Rxf5 Rc8 4.Rgf1 Rxc2 5.Kxc2
(968.573) 439.6
  9.01	 0:02 	+0.88 	1.Nce2 g5 2.h4 g4 3.Nf4 e5 4.Ng6+ Kh7 5.Bf7 d5 6.Bxe8 Qxe8
(1.268.806) 446.1
 10.01	 0:05 	+0.84 	1.Nce2 g5 2.h4 g4 3.Nf4 e5 4.Ng6+ Kg7 5.Nxf8 exd4 6.Nxd7
Qxd7 7.Rf4 (2.432.142) 448.5
 11.01	 0:10 	+0.69 	1.Nce2 g5 2.h4 g4 3.Nf4 e5 4.Nde6 Bxe6 5.Nxe6 Qe7 6.Nc7
Qxc7 (4.733.664) 451.5
 12.01	 0:33 	+0.94++ 	1.Nce2 g5 2.Nf4 gxf4 3.Rxf4 d5 4.exd5 Rb8 5.dxe6 Bxe6
6.Bxe6 Qxd4 7.Rxd4 Rxe6 (15.109.257) 452.4
 12.01	 0:52 	+1.29 	1.Nce2 g5 2.Nf4 Qc8 3.Nfxe6 Bxe6 4.Rxf6 Bxb3 5.axb3 Qc5
6.Nf5 Qe5 (23.638.858) 449.0
 13.01	 2:29 	+1.52 	1.Nce2 e5 2.Nf5 Bxf5 3.Rxf5 Qe7 4.Rgf1 Nh7 5.Qg6 Ng5 6.Ng3
Rec8 7.h4 Nf7 8.Qxf7 (67.093.546) 448.6
 14.01	 5:38 	+1.51 	1.Nce2 g5 2.Nf4 Bg7 3.h4 g4 4.Ndxe6 Bxe6 5.Bxe6 Qb6 6.c3
Qe3 7.Bxg4 (152.472.651) 450.1
 14.12	25:48 	+1.52++ 	1.Nf3 Rb8 2.e5 Nh7 3.Ne4 Bb5 4.Rf2 g5 5.exd6 Kg8
(670.238.452) 432.9
 14.12	40:22 	+1.57 	1.Nf3 Ng8 2.Qg3 Qc7 3.Nh4 g5 4.Ng6+ Kg7 5.Qf3 Kh7 6.e5 Red8
7.Nxf8+ Rxf8 8.Qd3+ Kh8 9.exd6 (1.040.064.206) 429.2
 15.01	65:41 	+1.82++ 	1.Nf3 Ng8 2.Qg3 Qc7 3.Nh4 g5 4.Ng6+ Kg7 5.Qf3 Kh7 6.Qh5
Bg7 7.Rxg5 (1.682.256.787) 426.8
 15.01	82:15 	+1.82 	1.Nf3 Bc6 2.Nh4 g5 3.Ng6+ Kh7 4.Nxf8+ Rxf8 5.Bxe6 Qe7
6.Bf5+ Kh8 7.Qh3 Qg7 8.Qd3 Rad8 9.h4 g4 10.Nd5 (2.105.094.905) 426.5
best move: Nd4-f3 time: 85:00.172 min  n/s: 427.038  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2177.970.560
wrong solution!
right until now: 3 of 5

** Takes DT-2 4 hours to find, and Bruce 93 to play it and stick with it.  **

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position:  bm axb5; id "Position 6";
solution : a6xb5!
  8.01	 0:01 	-0.70 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Ng5 Nb6 4.Ndxf7 Qe7 5.Qb3 Rg8 6.Bb2
Be3 7.Nxe5 (749.333) 413.5
  9.01	 0:04 	-0.85 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Ng5 Nb6 4.Ndxf7 Qe7 5.Qb3 Rg8 6.Qf3
Ke8 7.h3 (1.716.414) 422.5
 10.01	 0:12 	-0.99 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Nxc8 Ndf6 4.Qc2 Nh5 5.Nxe5 Nxe5 6.Kxf2
Rxc8 (5.164.775) 426.5
 11.01	 0:22 	-0.74++ 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Nxc8 Ndf6 4.Qc2 Nh5 5.Nxe5 Bd4
6.Nxg4 Bxa1 7.Qa4 Qxc8 8.bxc5 (9.543.507) 428.0
 11.01	 0:29 	-0.66 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Ng5 Nb6 4.Ndxf7 Qe7 5.Qb3 Rg8 6.Qf3
Ke8 7.d6 (12.783.454) 432.4
 12.01	 1:17 	-0.58 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Ng5 Bd4 4.Ndxf7 Qf6 5.Nxh8 Qf2+ 6.Kd1
Bxa1 7.Be2 Nb6 8.Qb3 Kg8 9.bxc5 (33.271.732) 428.0
 13.01	 3:48 	-0.33++ 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Ng5 Bd4 4.Ndxf7 Qf6 5.Nxh8 Qf2+
6.Kd1 Bxa1 7.Be2 Ndf6 8.bxc5 Qd4+ 9.Kc2 Kg8 (96.541.034) 422.2
 13.01	 4:16 	-0.33 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Nxc8 Ndf6 4.Qa5 Qxc8 5.h3 Bd4 6.Nxd4
cxd4 7.hxg4 Qxc4+ 8.Kf2 Nxe4+ 9.Kg1 Qxb4 10.Qxb4+ (108.928.588) 424.2
 14.01	10:34 	-0.34 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Nxc8 Ndf6 4.Qc2 Bd4 5.Nxd4 exd4 6.Na7
Rxa7 7.bxc5 (270.493.474) 426.3
 15.01	30:39 	-0.21 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.h3 Nb6 4.Nxb7 Bxb7 5.Qb3 Bd4 6.Nxd4
cxd4 7.hxg4 Bc8 (784.843.010) 426.7
 16.01	68:27 	-0.46-- 	1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.h3 Nb6 4.Nxf7 Kxf7 5.Qb3 Bd4 6.Nxd4
cxd4 7.hxg4 Rf8 8.c5 Bxg4+ 9.Kd3 Nd7 (1.750.079.063) 426.0
best move: Nb8-d7 time: 85:00.203 min  n/s: 425.329  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2169.268.106
wrong solution!
right until now: 3 of 6

** DT-1 and DT-2 has never solved this.  Hsu estimated a few days.  Bruce hasn't
tried it much either.  I believe this is one of those positions, that will take
a long time for a computer to solve. **

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position:  bm Rxd8+; id "Position 7";
solution : Rd1xd8!
  8.01	 0:01 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (607.631) 518.4
  9.01	 0:01 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (957.302) 523.6
 10.01	 0:04 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (2.516.926) 547.8
 11.01	 0:13 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (7.599.149) 545.2
 12.01	 0:44 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (23.952.518) 539.5
 13.01	 2:23 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (76.252.408) 532.5
 14.01	 8:08 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (252.618.579) 517.1
 15.01	42:05 	 0.00 	1.Rb7 Rxb7 2.Rxd8+ Kxd8 3.Qxb7 Qe2 4.Qb8+ Kd7 5.Qb7+ Kd8
6.Qb8+ (1.259.463.019) 498.7
best move: Rc7-b7 time: 85:00.328 min  n/s: 494.057  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2519.857.497
wrong solution!
right until now: 3 of 7

** Took DT-2 6 hours to play, and Ferret 25 minutes.  (However gets a +1.00
score in 24 hours, and a +2.30 score in 37 hours.  **

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position:  bm Bxh7+; id "Position 8";
solution : Bd3xh7!
  8.01	 0:00 	+0.64 	1.c4 h6 2.a3 b6 3.Bb2 Bd5 4.Bxg7 Bxg7 5.cxd5 exd5 (450.485)
497.2
  9.01	 0:01 	+0.62 	1.c4 h6 2.a3 Rac8 3.Rac1 Qa5 4.Bb2 Qb6 5.Bc2 (885.721)
492.8
 10.01	 0:06 	+0.65 	1.c4 h6 2.Re1 Qa5 3.a3 Rac8 4.b4 Qa4 5.Qg3 Qb3 (3.351.178)
490.7
 11.01	 0:20 	+0.61 	1.c4 e5 2.Bf5 h6 3.Rd3 Qb6 4.Bh4 Qa5 5.a4 (9.862.543) 482.5
 11.03	 0:36 	+0.62++ 	1.Re1 Qa5 2.c4 Rac8 3.a3 h5 4.Qg3 Bxa3 5.Bxg7
(17.207.136) 474.0
 11.03	 0:44 	+0.63 	1.Re1 Qd6 2.Rad1 Qa3 3.Re2 h6 4.c4 Rac8 5.Be5 (20.828.784)
471.3
 12.01	 1:28 	+0.67 	1.Re1 Qd6 2.Rad1 Qa3 3.Re2 Rac8 4.c4 Qa5 5.Bb1 h5 6.Qg3
(40.702.538) 462.0
 13.01	 2:47 	+0.70 	1.Re1 Qd6 2.Rad1 Qa3 3.Re2 Rac8 4.c4 Qa5 5.Bb1 h6 6.Ree1 a6
7.Bb2 (77.391.495) 461.9
 14.01	 7:59 	+0.71 	1.Re1 Qd6 2.Rad1 Qa3 3.Re2 Rac8 4.c4 Qa5 5.Bc2 Qa3 6.Re3
(220.470.180) 459.4
 15.01	22:40 	+0.75 	1.Re1 Qd6 2.Rad1 Qa3 3.Re5 g6 4.Re2 Be7 (621.681.655) 456.8
 16.01	63:41 	+0.67 	1.Re1 g6 2.Be4 Be7 3.Be5 Qb6 4.Bxc6 Qxc6 5.c4 Rad8
(1.745.812.973) 456.8
best move: Rd1-e1 time: 85:00.516 min  n/s: 453.818  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2314.709.737
wrong solution!
right until now: 3 of 8

** DT-2 preferred c4.  Ferret solved it pretty quick. **

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position:  bm Ng5; id "Position 9";
solution : Nf3-g5!
  8.02	 0:01 	-1.02++ 	1.Nf6 gxf6 2.exf6 Bxd3 3.Rxd3 Kg8 4.fxe7 Rad8 5.exd8Q
(533.581) 411.3
  8.02	 0:01 	-0.84 	1.Nf6 Bg6 2.Nd7 Nxd7 3.Rxc6 Bc5 4.Rc7 Qd5 (788.322) 413.6
  8.06	 0:02 	-0.83++ 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Qd5 3.Ng5 Be4 4.Qxe4 Qxe4 5.Bxe4 hxg5
6.Bxc6 gxf4 7.Rxc5 fxg3 (946.106) 420.4
  8.06	 0:02 	-0.48++ 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Qd5 3.Ng5 Nxe5 4.Qxe5 Qxe5 5.Bxe5 hxg5
6.Rxc5 Bxd3 (977.530) 422.8
  8.06	 0:02 	+0.11 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Rac8 3.Rxc5 Qb1+ 4.Bf1 h5 5.Rc1 Qxd3
6.Qxd3 Bxd3 7.Bxd3 hxg4 (1.099.258) 429.0
  9.01	 0:03 	+0.09 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 h5 3.Ngh2 Bxd3 4.Qxd3 Qd5 5.Ng5
(1.307.902) 433.7
 10.01	 0:05 	+0.33 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Ba7 3.Rxc6 Bf5 4.Ngh2 Qb1+ 5.Ne1 Qxd3
6.Nxd3 Bxd3 (2.470.050) 444.0
 11.01	 0:10 	+0.38 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Ba7 3.Rxc6 Bf5 4.Ngh2 a4 5.Ne1 a3 6.Bc1
Kg8 7.Nhf3 axb2 8.Bxb2 (4.609.381) 455.2
 12.01	 0:23 	+0.35 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Ba7 3.Rxc6 a4 4.Ne1 a3 5.Bc1 Bf5 6.Nh2
axb2 7.Bxb2 Kg8 (10.549.189) 452.8
 13.01	 0:52 	+0.28 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Ba7 3.Rxc6 a4 4.Rc2 Rac8 5.Ne1 Qb1 6.Bc1
Rxc2 7.Nh2 Rxe2 (23.894.294) 451.0
 14.01	 2:27 	+0.28 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 Ba7 3.Rxc6 a4 4.Ne1 a3 5.Bc1 Bf5 6.Nh2
Rac8 7.g4 Qb1 8.gxf5 (65.828.599) 446.6
 15.01	 7:20 	+0.03-- 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 a4 3.Rxc5 a3 4.Bc1 Rac8 5.bxa3 Qxe2
6.Bf1 Bxd3 7.Nxd4 Qxg4 8.Rc4 (198.311.848) 450.2
 15.01	 9:02 	-0.47-- 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Rc1 a4 3.Rxc5 a3 4.Bc1 Rac8 5.bxa3 Qxe2
6.Bf1 Bxd3 7.Nxd4 Qxg4 8.Rc4 (244.900.906) 451.7
 15.01	29:34 	-1.42 	1.Rxc5 Bxc5 2.Qc2 Ba7 3.Qxc6 Qxb2 4.Ne1 Bf5 5.Bf3 Rab8
6.Rc1 (800.703.371) 451.2
 15.02	32:04 	-1.41++ 	1.Nf6 Rac8 2.Nxh7 Kxh7 3.Ng5+ hxg5 4.Bxg5 Kg8 5.Ra1 Qb3
6.Bxc6 Rxc6 7.Bxe7 (866.358.841) 450.2
 15.02	34:03 	-1.06++ 	1.Nf6 Rac8 2.Nxh7 Kxh7 3.Ng5+ hxg5 4.Bxg5 Kg8 5.Ra1 Qb3
6.Bxc6 Rxc6 7.Bxe7 Na4 8.Bxf8 (917.136.554) 448.8
 15.02	64:40 	+0.01 	1.Nf6 Rfc8 2.Nxh7 Kxh7 3.Rc4 Kg8 4.Rdc1 a4 5.Rxc5 Bxc5
6.Rxc5 a3 7.Bc1 Na5 8.Rxc8+ Rxc8 9.Nxd4 (1.712.553.048) 441.3
best move: Ng4-f6 time: 85:00.328 min  n/s: 436.901  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2228.338.315
wrong solution!
right until now: 3 of 9

** No computer has solved this.  Not even DT-2.  Hsu has stated he doubts Ng5 as
the correct move.  **

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position:  bm Rxf7; id "Position 10";
solution : Rf1xf7!
  8.02	 0:01 	-0.80 	1.a5 Qxb2 2.Qd3 Bf6 3.Qxe3 Qb4 4.Nce2 Re8 5.c3 (471.057)
449.9
  9.01	 0:02 	-0.87 	1.a5 Qxb2 2.Qd3 Qb4 3.Qxe3 Bf6 4.Nce2 Qc5 5.c3 Re8
(1.057.419) 463.5
  9.02	 0:02 	-0.86++ 	1.Nf5 Bf6 2.Bb3 Bxc3 3.bxc3 Ne5 4.a5 Qc5 5.Qxd6 Qxd6
6.Nxd6 (1.147.387) 461.9
  9.02	 0:02 	-0.86 	1.Nf5 Bf6 2.Bb3 Bxc3 3.bxc3 Ne5 4.a5 Qc5 5.Qxd6 Qxd6 6.Nxd6
(1.276.025) 461.3
 10.01	 0:05 	-0.61++ 	1.Nf5 Bf6 2.Ra3 Ne5 3.Rb3 Qa7 4.Nxd6 Kh8 5.Bxb7 Qxb7
6.Nxb7 Bxb7 (2.610.067) 462.6
 10.01	 0:08 	-0.51 	1.Nf5 Bg5 2.Bb3 Nc5 3.Nd5 Qd8 4.Nfxe3 Nxe4 5.Qd4 Re8
(3.760.404) 460.1
 11.01	 0:15 	-0.61 	1.Nf5 Bg5 2.Bb3 Ne5 3.a5 Qd8 4.Nxd6 Be7 5.Nxc8 Rxc8 6.Qh5
(7.137.835) 464.7
 11.06	 0:28 	-0.60++ 	1.Bb3 Qc5 2.Nf5 Bf6 3.Nxd6 Bxc3 4.Rxf7 Kh8 5.Rxf8+
(13.344.104) 465.4
 11.06	 0:37 	-0.35 	1.Bb3 Nf6 2.Qd3 Qc5 3.Qxe3 Ng4 4.Qg1 Bf6 5.Rad1 Be5
(17.323.318) 463.3
 12.01	 0:58 	-0.47 	1.Bb3 Bg5 2.Nd5 Qd8 3.Nf5 Nc5 4.Nfxe3 Nxe4 5.Qd4 Nc5 6.Bc4
Bd7 (27.282.810) 466.5
 13.01	 1:55 	-0.36 	1.Bb3 Bg5 2.Nd5 Qd8 3.Nf5 Nc5 4.Nfxe3 Nxe4 5.Qd4 Nc5 6.Ba2
(53.572.911) 462.8
 14.01	 4:29 	-0.42 	1.Bb3 Bg5 2.Qh5 Bf6 3.Ne6 g6 4.Nxf8 gxh5 5.Nxd7 Bxd7 6.Nd5
Qc6 7.Nxf6+ Kh8 8.Rae1 (124.830.954) 462.7
 15.01	15:32 	-0.18 	1.Bb3 Bf6 2.Nd5 Qd8 3.Nxe3 Nc5 (425.490.136) 456.4
 15.02	20:25 	-0.17++ 	1.Rxf7 Rxf7 2.Bxf7+ Kxf7 3.Qh5+ Kg8 4.Qe8+ Bf8 5.Nd5 Qxb2
6.Ne7+ Kh8 7.Rf1 Qxd4 8.Rxf8+ Nxf8 9.Qxf8+ (573.609.041) 468.1
 15.02	25:09 	+0.18++ 	1.Rxf7 Rxf7 2.Bxf7+ Kxf7 3.Qh5+ Kg8 4.Qe8+ Bf8 5.Nd5 Qxb2
6.Ne7+ Kh8 7.Rf1 Ne5 (714.240.338) 473.1
 15.02	36:25 	+1.68 	1.Rxf7 Rxf7 2.Bxf7+ Kxf7 3.Qh5+ Kg8 4.Qe8+ Bf8 5.Nd5 Qxd4
6.Ne7+ Kh8 7.Rf1 Qf6 8.Rxf6 gxf6 9.Kg1 Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kg8 11.Nxd6 Kg7 12.Qf7+
(1.039.524.715) 475.6
 16.01	63:12 	+1.88 	1.Rxf7 Rxf7 2.Bxf7+ Kxf7 3.Qh5+ Kg8 4.Qe8+ Bf8 5.Nd5 Qxd4
6.Ne7+ Kh8 7.Rf1 Qf6 8.Rxf6 gxf6 9.Kg1 Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kg8 11.Nxd6 Kg7 12.Qf7+
(1.805.782.996) 476.1
best move: Rf1xf7 time: 85:00.219 min  n/s: 477.249  CPU 199.9%  nodes:
2434.075.115
right solution! (20:25.297) 15
right until now: 4 of 10

** Takes DS 20 minutes to find, DT-2 2 minutes to find. and Ferret 20 seconds!
This seems to be one of the easier Nolot's.  **

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position:  bm Rxh6; id "Position 11";
solution : Rg6xh6!
  9.01	 0:01 	-3.90 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.d3 Nxg6 3.Qxg6 Bb7 4.Rf1 Qd7 5.Qf6 Ng5 6.Qf8+
Kh7 (575.785) 478.6
 10.01	 0:04 	-3.78 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Qh4 Bb7 3.Rf1 c5 4.d3 c4 5.Rg3 cxd3 6.cxd3
Nxd3 (1.973.876) 478.5
 11.01	 0:09 	-3.53++ 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qh4 Nxh5 4.Rxf7 Qxf7 5.Qd8+ Kh7
6.g8B+ Kh8 7.Bxf7+ Kh7 8.Bxh5 c5 (4.651.034) 482.4
 11.01	 0:11 	-3.03++ 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qh4 Nxh5 4.Rxf7 Qxf7 5.Qd8+ Kh7
6.g8B+ Qxg8 7.Rxg8 Nf4 (5.710.885) 484.7
 11.01	 0:19 	-2.30 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qg6 Bb7 4.d3 Nf4 5.Qf5 Nxh5
(9.251.097) 485.6
 12.01	 0:30 	-2.55-- 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qg6 Bb7 4.d3 Nf4 5.Rxf7 Qxf7
6.Qxh6 (14.479.897) 474.7
 12.01	 0:43 	-2.91 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb4 5.Qf6 Bb7 6.Rgg1
Qxd4 (20.653.781) 472.0
 13.01	 1:01 	-2.66++ 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb4 5.Qf6 Bb7 6.dxe5
Qxb3+ 7.cxb3 Nxh5 (28.889.300) 471.1
 13.01	 1:16 	-2.55 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb6 5.Qf6 Qd8 6.Rxf4
exf4 7.Qxf4 (36.025.954) 473.4
 14.01	 1:51 	-2.80-- 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb6 5.Qf6 Qd8
6.Qxd8+ Nxd8 7.dxe5 Nxg6 (52.982.752) 475.0
 14.01	 2:42 	-2.88 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb6 5.Qf6 Qd8 6.Rxf4
exf4 7.Qxf4 d6 (76.803.543) 473.8
 15.01	 5:12 	-2.63++ 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb6 5.Qf6 Qd8 6.dxe5
Ng5 7.Qxd8+ Kf7 (147.618.473) 472.9
 15.01	 6:43 	-2.13++ 	1.Bxe6 Nxe6 2.Qh4 Qc5 3.Rf1 Nf4 4.d4 Qb6 5.dxe5 Qe3
6.Rxf4 Bb7 7.Qf6 (189.477.225) 470.1
 15.01	14:04 	-1.91 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qh4 Bd7 4.Rxf4 Qxh4 5.Rxh4 Ng5
6.Rhg4 Kxg7 7.d3 Be8 8.Rh1 b4 9.Kb2 Rd8 (401.469.787) 475.6
 16.01	22:26 	-2.08 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qh4 Bd7 4.Rxf4 Qxh4 5.Rxh4 Ng5
6.Rf1 Kxg7 7.Rg4 Rg8 8.d3 Be8 9.Rh4 Rf8 (639.371.961) 474.7
 17.01	59:39 	-2.06 	1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Rf6 Qe7 3.Qh4 Bd7 4.Rxf4 Qxh4 5.Rxh4 Ng5
6.Rf1 Kxg7 7.Rg4 Rg8 8.d3 Be8 9.Rh4 Rf8 10.Rxf8 (1.676.208.464) 468.3
best move: Bc4xe6 time: 60:52.453 min  n/s: 468.390  CPU 199.8%  nodes:
1710.765.728
Wrong Solution!

** Key is Rxh6.  DT-2 plays it in 5 minutes, and Ferret plays it in 10 seconds.
**

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There it is.  I didn't let #11 run as long.  Sorry.  But that is my result.
THANKS!


Slate

PS _HUGE_ thanks to Bruce for his page, and the epd.  Great commentary!  Anyone
who hasn't visited his site, it is packed full of useful knowledge!  I highly
recommend it!
http://www.seanet.com/~brucemo/Nolot/nolot%2011.htm



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