Author: Johan Havegheer
Date: 22:59:49 08/31/01
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On September 01, 2001 at 00:50:26, Christophe Theron wrote: >On August 31, 2001 at 21:24:11, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On August 31, 2001 at 19:14:12, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>After a successful 1st place at the WMCCC for Amir with his excellent program >>>Deep Junior and for Stefan Meyer with Shredder 5.32, it must be hard to admit >>>that when pitted against Gambit Tiger II in a series of 40 games such as in the >>>SSDF, Gambit Tiger II is proving to be stronger than both when using comparable >>>Hardwares. >> >>I think that Amir Ban and Stefan Meyer-Kahlen are very computer saavy. They >>both know a lot about mathematics and how computer contests work. I would be >>very much surprised if they feel any turmoil when something unsurprising like a >>run of SSDF games occurs. >> >>On the other hand, I imagine that they feel great consternation about other >>people's [customer's] unrealistic expectations in connection with these >>contests. Only one program can top the SSDF. And yet, when you look at the >>error bars, any of the top three or four programs are really equivalent. Only >>one program can win the WMCCC [in a given category] and yet the error bars are >>so enormous that we really don't know which program is stronger. Customers, on >>the other hand, will make a leap not connected with reality and jump to >>conclusions not based upon facts from these measures. >> >>Therefore, while I doubt very much if they are surprised or even concerned about >>results in any public experiment (unless a serious problem turns up -- but I >>have never seen one) I suspect that they are concerned about public perception >>of these events. >> >>The event and public perception of the event are related but separate. >>There may be some feelings stirring when they see an event turning sour due to a >>bad run of probability. But these feelings will be in connection with the >>misunderstandings that will be connected with the event, and not with the event >>itself. >> >>No amount of verbage will educate the great masses of people who view the >>events. That's because they think they already understand them, and even more >>so, because the underlying mathematics are entirely uninteresting to them. >> >>It may seem like a fine distinction, but in reality it is a very large >>distinction. > > > >You are damn right. > >Nevertheless, I still prefer to be ranked high on the SSDF than to be ranked >high in a lottery. > >But if I ever win a lottery, I'll shout loud that I did. If you win the lottery shout loud and make Chess Tiger free as a winboard engine. I think you can make Frank Quisinsky very happy. Johan Havegheer
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