Author: Leo Dijksman
Date: 03:57:07 09/01/01
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On September 01, 2001 at 01:59:49, Johan Havegheer wrote: >On September 01, 2001 at 00:50:26, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On August 31, 2001 at 21:24:11, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On August 31, 2001 at 19:14:12, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>After a successful 1st place at the WMCCC for Amir with his excellent program >>>>Deep Junior and for Stefan Meyer with Shredder 5.32, it must be hard to admit >>>>that when pitted against Gambit Tiger II in a series of 40 games such as in the >>>>SSDF, Gambit Tiger II is proving to be stronger than both when using comparable >>>>Hardwares. >>> >>>I think that Amir Ban and Stefan Meyer-Kahlen are very computer saavy. They >>>both know a lot about mathematics and how computer contests work. I would be >>>very much surprised if they feel any turmoil when something unsurprising like a >>>run of SSDF games occurs. >>> >>>On the other hand, I imagine that they feel great consternation about other >>>people's [customer's] unrealistic expectations in connection with these >>>contests. Only one program can top the SSDF. And yet, when you look at the >>>error bars, any of the top three or four programs are really equivalent. Only >>>one program can win the WMCCC [in a given category] and yet the error bars are >>>so enormous that we really don't know which program is stronger. Customers, on >>>the other hand, will make a leap not connected with reality and jump to >>>conclusions not based upon facts from these measures. >>> >>>Therefore, while I doubt very much if they are surprised or even concerned about >>>results in any public experiment (unless a serious problem turns up -- but I >>>have never seen one) I suspect that they are concerned about public perception >>>of these events. >>> >>>The event and public perception of the event are related but separate. >>>There may be some feelings stirring when they see an event turning sour due to a >>>bad run of probability. But these feelings will be in connection with the >>>misunderstandings that will be connected with the event, and not with the event >>>itself. >>> >>>No amount of verbage will educate the great masses of people who view the >>>events. That's because they think they already understand them, and even more >>>so, because the underlying mathematics are entirely uninteresting to them. >>> >>>It may seem like a fine distinction, but in reality it is a very large >>>distinction. >> >> >> >>You are damn right. >> >>Nevertheless, I still prefer to be ranked high on the SSDF than to be ranked >>high in a lottery. >> >>But if I ever win a lottery, I'll shout loud that I did. > >If you win the lottery shout loud and make Chess Tiger free as a winboard >engine. I think you can make Frank Quisinsky very happy. Not only Frank :), even a 'commercial' winboard engine will make me happy! Leo. > >Johan Havegheer
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