Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:24:36 09/02/01
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On September 02, 2001 at 02:17:33, Slater Wold wrote: >On September 02, 2001 at 01:42:49, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 01, 2001 at 20:23:09, Slater Wold wrote: >> >>>On September 01, 2001 at 20:11:16, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On September 01, 2001 at 20:03:18, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>This is a question which I've now resorted to asking, since the programs which >>>>win most games seem to not necesarily be the greatest tactical visionaries, and >>>>also not necesarily the greatest planners or knowledge programs, and possibly, >>>>not even the best of both, but something else still. >>>> So I only want to know which is best in tactics alone. >>>> Also, while we're at it, which is best in knowledge alone. >>>>Which wins most games? I can easily find that out for myself when results come >>>>out. >>>>Thanks >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>>I'd say Fritz is the king of tactics. And Shredder the king of knowledge. >> >>Is Shredder the king of knowledge? >> >>I could only laugh about it's knowledge when it evaluated the position against >>Deep Junior in WCCC as +5 and lost the game. >> >>A program with knowldge could understand that Junior has chances and not to >>evaluate the position so high. >> >>Uri > >Geez man, everytime I post something, you post something contradicting me. From >Nolot, to SE, to this! (And in the case of SE, Bruce and Bob have both asked >you to prove your claims, and you have yet to do so.) > >I don't argue with people on this board, I've made that a rule of thumb. So >when people post things, that I takes as trying to start an arguement, I just >look the other way. As I have with your last 3 or 4 replies to my posts. > >Shredder is commonly, and usually refered to as the program with the most >"programmed knowledge." Matthias Gemuh seems to think so too, so I am not the >only one. And there is not a _SINGLE_ engine I haven't seen evalute a position >as a HUGE advantage to itself, only later to lose. That's not stupidity, that's >computer chess. > >I've seen Deep Fritz say it's up +9.00 and draw. Bob has reported he has been >up +5.00 and drawn, against HUMANS! Sometimes things just don't pan out. > >In the last month, I've seen more posts about how "stupid" Junior 7 is (in it's >play, being too agressive) than I have ever heard of Shredder doing stupid >things. > >So next time you post something, replying to me, instead of simply "laughing" >why don't you give your thoughts on the subject, instead of simply bashing >someone elses? Perhaps then you'll come off as being more a part of this board, >and a little less like a troll. And at least you'll give me a chance to laugh >back at you. > > >Slate I apologize I laughed about shredder evaluation and not about you. I think that there is a problem of definition here and the meaning of knowledge is not clear Uri
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