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Subject: Re: LambChop Nolot Results

Author: Frank Phillips

Date: 02:39:32 09/02/01

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On September 01, 2001 at 22:05:57, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>After the recent discussion about the Nolot positions, and spurred on by Bruce
>Morland's superb web pages on the subject, I decided to test LambChop 10.98 with
>the positions.
>
>The last time I'd tested these positions (about 8 months ago), Chop had gotten
>0/11 at 1/2 hour per position on my old P133.  There had been previous versions
>that solved 1/11 under the same conditions, but probably changes to the search
>(ie. less extensions) made it worse on this type of test set.
>
>Anyway, the new 1ghz PIII is quite alot faster than the old P133 and the
>software has improved significantly so I was optimistic about solving some this
>time!  I decided on 1 hour per position, quite a convenient time for an
>overnight run.
>
>To cut a long story short, LambChop solved 2/11 at 1hr/position.
>The solved positions were numbers 1 (in 196 seconds) and 11 (in 37 minutes).
>
>Some comments:
>
>Positon 1:
>Deemed the easiest by Chop which finds Nxh6 in just over 3 minutes compared to
>about 6 hours for DT-2.  After an hour though, Chop's score is still slightly in
>Black's favour (-0.6).  Chop's pv is:
>Nxh6 c3 Nf5 cxb2 Qg4 g6 Re2 Qd7 Nh4 Nf4 Qxf4 Nd5 Qd2
>I haven't played thru. this but apparently Kh2 is better than Re2.
>
>Position 2:
>I would really like Chop to find this one, as I think its kind of obvious.
>Unfortunately Chop goes for some drawing variation starting with Bf6.  I will
>study this one some more, I suspect singular extensions are useful here, which
>would be why both DT-2 and Ferret find it fast.  With its current search, I
>can't see Chop finding it within a few hours.
>
>Position 3:
>Chop likes Bxg5 (+0.4), and after an hour its pv starts with Bxg5 Bxg5 h3, which
>is the same line mentioned by Hsu.
>
>Position 4:
>Chop likes Be2 here which seems reasonable, showing about half a pawn advantage
>to white.  I could see this one being solved with a bit more time, because the
>score for Nxe6 isn't too much lower.
>
>Position 5:
>Nf3, +0.7.  Not sure what to make of this one, e5 looks quite deep.
>
>Oops, running out of time here.  Might post some more comments later.
>
>Peter

Does position 2 benefit from (Deep Blue style) singular extension?

I ran this overnight on mine and was pretty disappointed.  It took about five
hours and ply 16 before it finally latached onto Rxc5 with a positive score
(greater than a minor, less than a rook).  Before then if eventually favoured
the draw by Bf6.

(The test also showed that, for test like these, I need bigger counters for
nodes and stuff.  According to the log file I was doing 41Knps on a Tbird
1.2GHz.  I am slow, but not that slow.)

Frank



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