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Subject: Re: computer specific chess knowledge, cycles per node...

Author: Mike S.

Date: 06:31:27 09/02/01

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On September 02, 2001 at 07:11:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>It seems to me that people simply look at the number of
>nodes per second to decide which program is more knowledge based
>program and it is clearly wrong.
>(...)
>There are cases when the fast searchers have
>more realistic evaluation and it is not clear to me if less cases
>then cases when the slow searchers have more realistic evaluation.

Maybe it's not even correct to call the low nps programs slow searchers. They
reach similar depths as the high nps programs do, with less nodes .

I think they are considered "knowledge"-programs because obviously they do heavy
pruning of some kind which means they probably use much knowledge for that. But
this hasn't to be traditional chess knowledge... I remember Christophe Théron
said, that there is something like computer specific chess knowledge IIRC, used
for algorithms. But much of that this is certainly something we won't find in a
chess book.

It's astonishing how different the node rates are, comparing programs of similar
strength. The bandwidth is approx. 1:8 (maybe even 1:10).

Some time ago, I have done the following comparison on P3/700, 32 MB Hash each
(Grundstellung = starting position):

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P3/700 MHz

The King 3.12c (CM 32 MB Hash):
0:56 4431056 (Grundstellung) = 79,1 kN/s
1:17 5818502 (nach 1.a4)     = 75,6 kN/s

Hiarcs 7.32 / 32 MB Hash:
0:29 2247 kN (Grundstellung) = 77,5 kN/s
0:36 2741 kN (nach 1.a4)     = 76,1 kN/s

Fritz 5.32 / 32 MB Hash:
1:03 38877 kN (Grundstellung) = 617,1 kN/s
0:25 15663 kN (nach 1.a4)     = 626,5 kN/s

Junior 5.0 / 32 MB Hash:
1:36 50302 kN (Grundstellung) = 524,0 kN/s
0:47 25265 kN (nach 1.a4)     = 537,6 kN/s

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As an additional information, these figures show that Fritz 5.32 used around
1100 Pentium CPU cycles per node, and Hiarcs 7.32 or King 3.12c use 9100 cycles
per node.

Regards,
Mike Scheidl



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