Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:30:33 09/02/01
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On September 02, 2001 at 14:56:45, Chessfun wrote: >On September 02, 2001 at 08:59:43, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 02, 2001 at 07:59:22, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On September 02, 2001 at 05:10:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On September 02, 2001 at 04:53:31, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>> >>>>>IMHO, if it's tactics you're trying to spot then you should use: Fritz, Goliath, >>>>>ChessMaster possibly Nimzo. For positional analysis, Shredder, Junior 7 and >>>>>Tiger. For all round play I like Gambit Tiger and Junior 7. >>>>> >>>>>Steve >>>> >>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best. >>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics except finding >>>>mates(chessmaster is the best in this task) >>>> >>>>I believe that Deep fritz is in similiar level to other engines in >>>>positional understanding and there are cases when it is better and >>>>cases when it is worse. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Uri, >>>So you don't agree about Golliath. >>> >>>And you say that Gambit Tiger is not exactly the very best in tactics alone or >>>in positional understanding alone, even if it will top the next ssdf list (i.e. >>>wins slightly more games)? >>>What then is the additional ingredient that (it seems) GT might have? >>>S.Taylor >> >>1)If gambittiger can top the ssdf then I may change my mind. > >Looking at it's current score v Junior 7 and Shredder 5.32 >it's totally possible it will top the next list. >But why should it's position relative to #1 or #2 on the SSDF >influence your opinion?. Data may influence my opinion. The difference between the first place and the second place may be also important for my opinion. > >>2)I believe that one of the advantages of gambittiger relative to >>Deep Fritz is better time management. > >Please explain as this is something I always felt opposite about. > >Sarah. 2 reasons: 1)I know that Deep Fritz has a tendency to play faster when it gets a big advantage and I believe it is not a good descision. I remember a game that was posted here(If I remember correctly by sune larson) and in that game Deep Fritz lost when I found that it did a mistake because of bad time management. The game was based on the opening from the game insomniac-shredder in the last ICC tournament. I believe that the decision of Fritz to play faster when it has advantage is a compromise of Fritz's programmers in order to make the customers more happy. I can explain it. I believe that Deep Fritz cannot earn more than 5 elo points from not playing faster when it gets a clear advantage. I believe that customers may become angry when they see a program calculates for a long time in a clearly winning position. It is not only for human-computer games but also for engine-engine games because if engine-engine games takes more time the customers can see less games. 2)I know that Christophe worked on improving the time management of tiger and I believe that he knows what he is doing and tiger is using time better than most programs(I understood that tiger uses time in a different way than other programs). I remmeber that christhophe said that he is afraid that other operators are going to change tiger's time management and he is 99% sure that the change is going to be counter productive. Uri
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