Author: Chessfun
Date: 14:44:33 09/02/01
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On September 02, 2001 at 17:30:33, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 02, 2001 at 14:56:45, Chessfun wrote: > >>On September 02, 2001 at 08:59:43, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On September 02, 2001 at 07:59:22, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On September 02, 2001 at 05:10:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 02, 2001 at 04:53:31, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>IMHO, if it's tactics you're trying to spot then you should use: Fritz, Goliath, >>>>>>ChessMaster possibly Nimzo. For positional analysis, Shredder, Junior 7 and >>>>>>Tiger. For all round play I like Gambit Tiger and Junior 7. >>>>>> >>>>>>Steve >>>>> >>>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best. >>>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics except finding >>>>>mates(chessmaster is the best in this task) >>>>> >>>>>I believe that Deep fritz is in similiar level to other engines in >>>>>positional understanding and there are cases when it is better and >>>>>cases when it is worse. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Uri, >>>>So you don't agree about Golliath. >>>> >>>>And you say that Gambit Tiger is not exactly the very best in tactics alone or >>>>in positional understanding alone, even if it will top the next ssdf list (i.e. >>>>wins slightly more games)? >>>>What then is the additional ingredient that (it seems) GT might have? >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>>1)If gambittiger can top the ssdf then I may change my mind. >> >>Looking at it's current score v Junior 7 and Shredder 5.32 >>it's totally possible it will top the next list. >>But why should it's position relative to #1 or #2 on the SSDF >>influence your opinion?. > >Data may influence my opinion. >The difference between the first place and the second place may be also >important for my opinion. The current difference is 3 rating points. I don't see how a gain of 4 points for Gambit could influence an opinion. >>>2)I believe that one of the advantages of gambittiger relative to >>>Deep Fritz is better time management. >> >>Please explain as this is something I always felt opposite about. >> >>Sarah. > >2 reasons: >1)I know that Deep Fritz has a tendency to play faster when it gets a big >advantage and I believe it is not a good descision. When it gets a big advantage? do you have examples of where this has caused it to lose or draw?. >I remember a game that was posted here(If I remember correctly by sune larson) >and in that game Deep Fritz lost when I found that it did a mistake because of >bad time management. Agh never saw that post. I'll email Sune for the game. >The game was based on the opening from the game insomniac-shredder in the last >ICC tournament. >I believe that the decision of Fritz to play faster when it has advantage is >a compromise of Fritz's programmers in order to make the customers more happy. That hardly makes sense to me, and I doubt that making the program play faster knowing that would affect it's result would cause a programmer to do that. >I can explain it. >I believe that Deep Fritz cannot earn more than 5 elo points from not playing >faster when it gets a clear advantage. > >I believe that customers may become angry when they see a program calculates for >a long time in a clearly winning position. But as you say if all others are doing so why worry about it. >It is not only for human-computer games but also for engine-engine games >because if engine-engine games takes more time the customers can see less games. Again I can't see the reasoning when and if, Deep Fritz was the only program of the two playing faster. >2)I know that Christophe worked on improving the time management of tiger and I >believe that he knows what he is doing and tiger is using time better than >most programs(I understood that tiger uses time in a different way than other >programs). >I remmeber that christhophe said that he is afraid that other operators are >going to change tiger's time management and he is 99% sure that the change is >going to be counter productive. Tiger's time usage is really very good. A lot of this I believe was as a result of Christophe working on it especially after using it on the internet servers. To me though at times what I see is Tiger spending not enough time in the opening or early middlegame. Though again as you say maybe in both cases this is worth less than 5 rating points. Sarah.
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