Author: Chessfun
Date: 20:14:03 09/02/01
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On September 02, 2001 at 18:52:22, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 02, 2001 at 17:44:33, Chessfun wrote: > >>On September 02, 2001 at 17:30:33, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On September 02, 2001 at 14:56:45, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On September 02, 2001 at 08:59:43, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 02, 2001 at 07:59:22, stuart taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 02, 2001 at 05:10:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 02, 2001 at 04:53:31, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IMHO, if it's tactics you're trying to spot then you should use: Fritz, Goliath, >>>>>>>>ChessMaster possibly Nimzo. For positional analysis, Shredder, Junior 7 and >>>>>>>>Tiger. For all round play I like Gambit Tiger and Junior 7. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best. >>>>>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics except finding >>>>>>>mates(chessmaster is the best in this task) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe that Deep fritz is in similiar level to other engines in >>>>>>>positional understanding and there are cases when it is better and >>>>>>>cases when it is worse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri, >>>>>>So you don't agree about Golliath. >>>>>> >>>>>>And you say that Gambit Tiger is not exactly the very best in tactics alone or >>>>>>in positional understanding alone, even if it will top the next ssdf list (i.e. >>>>>>wins slightly more games)? >>>>>>What then is the additional ingredient that (it seems) GT might have? >>>>>>S.Taylor >>>>> >>>>>1)If gambittiger can top the ssdf then I may change my mind. >>>> >>>>Looking at it's current score v Junior 7 and Shredder 5.32 >>>>it's totally possible it will top the next list. >>>>But why should it's position relative to #1 or #2 on the SSDF >>>>influence your opinion?. >>> >>>Data may influence my opinion. >>>The difference between the first place and the second place may be also >>>important for my opinion. >> >>The current difference is 3 rating points. >>I don't see how a gain of 4 points for Gambit could influence >>an opinion. > >1)By this logic a gain of 400 elo also cannot influence my opinion because >I can look at a gain of 400 elo as 100 gains of 4 elo when no gain of 4 elo can >influence my opinion. That makes no sense at all to me. Currently you know how they are rated and I don't see how a future SSDF listing Gambit 1 point up on Deep Fritz could make for any re-evaluation of someones opinion. >2)may influence my opinion does not mean that I am going to change my mind >completely. You actually wrote; "If gambittiger can top the ssdf then I may change my mind." I questioned whether if Gambit topped the SSDF why that should have any influence since they are already very close. >If I evaluate that the probabilty for event A is 51% then a gain of >4 elo may change my opinion when I give only 49.7% for event A. >If more than 50% for A means that I believe in A and less than 50% means that I >do not believe in A then the change is from believing in A to not believing in >A. > >Even if I cahnge my mind about the probability of A from 99% to 98% I can say >that I am less sure about A so my opinion is not exactly the same after getting >more information. I don't even want to think about those two paragraphs. >> >>Again I can't see the reasoning when and if, Deep Fritz was the only >>program of the two playing faster. > >one engine that is playing faster in good positions may be enough to save 10% of >the time in engine-engine game. Again that makes no sense that CB would handicap their engine while others do not so as to make a quicker engine game. Sarah.
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