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Subject: Re: How to build a dual AMD

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 15:51:28 09/03/01

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On September 03, 2001 at 13:58:51, Aaron Gordon wrote:

>Cooling isn't much of a problem. The SK6 might be considered expensive by some
>people but well worth it as it's around 0.14C/W (about as good as an aluminium
>liquid cooler). Those are available at http://www.thermalright.com/sk6.htm
>As for a good dual Athlon board the Tyan Tiger is suppose to be superb and only
>a mere $209. http://www.pricewatch.com has all the cheapest vendors.

Wow that looks like a good cooler!

and i see it's lucky not so big because only a small fan fits on to the
board (its height may be huge of course).

>Also if you're going to do just chess with it I highly suggest a Thunderbird
>1.4GHz. They have the AYHJA core stepping and will do 1.6GHz (sometimes 1.7)with

tyan motherboards can't be overclocked, no way, processor speed
is automatically detected :)

>relative ease and possibly no voltage increase (although if you have the SK6
>running 1.85v vcore will NOT be a problem). The AYHJA also enjoy's the same 20%
>power reduction as the palomino BUT it doesn't have SSE or the enhanced prefetch
>that palomino does. Slap in a couple of 256mb sticks of crucial PC2100 (or if
>you can afford it PC2400 DDR, 150fsb (300mhz DDR clock)). Also an enermax 650
>watt ATX power supply will definately help.

You need registered DDR ram, and again, you can't overclock the
dual motherboard anyway, especially not the memory. Note i doubt
there is registered memory available that goes above PC2100 :)

>Also about the companies saying that the Thunderbird won't work well SMP, thats
>garbage. Of course they're going to tell you that. They want you to buy the more
>expensive Athlon MP/Palomino. I hear Thunderbird's and even Duron's work
>flawlessly in SMP operation.

Yeah it seems they want companies to buy the expensive MP/palomino but
the new steppings tbird work great dual for computerchess!

>Anyway if anyone wants to know how to help make their system more stable
>overclocking wise or needs advice on cooling just post a message. I've been
>doing this for a good 12 years now. I pride myself on building extremely fast,
>extremely cheap systems. Running a $75 CPU (Thunderbird 1GHz, AXIA stepping) at
>1.76GHz with a $100 liquid cooler (and heavily modified Abit KT7a). Last system
>was a Celeron-2 566MHz at 1202MHz at negative 38 degree's celsius. If thats not
>value + performance I don't know what is. :)

>Good luck w/ the dual AMD box's.

Nowadays overclocking is a very risky business with those huge number
of watts you need to suck away from the processor in order to not let it
go wild.

I can't advice anyone to overclock a palomino, note that the tyan mobo
is not exactly a mobo to try all this.

Man where can i buy those excellent heatsinks in europe?

Those delta fans i already have (but wrong heatsink).



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