Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 16:00:28 09/03/01
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On September 03, 2001 at 16:19:34, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >On September 03, 2001 at 15:57:14, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 03, 2001 at 14:50:27, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >> >>>I played a game against Tiger 14 today (120'/40 Level), see my post "Golden >>>eyes", and Tiger thinking and thinking...but makes bad moves. Ok, this first >>>game was a HARD tactical position for computers. >>> >>>I played now an another game against Tiger 14 and I played the NORMAL "Two >>>Kings" variation. But what makes Tiger? He played after 15 minutes (!) on a BAD >>>move. I can this not understand, sorry! >> >>I believe that the main problem of tiger here is >>the fact that tiger is a preprocessor. >> >>If you compare the evaluation after 12.Nf6+ gxf6 and the evaluation >>after 12.gxf3 Ne7 you can see that tiger's evaluation is better after >>12.gxf3 Ne7 and not after 12.Nf6+ gxf6 but tiger cannot see >>it's evaluation after these moves in the root position. >> >>Tiger14's analysis after 12.Nf6+ gxf6 >>Chess Tiger 14.0 - Blass,U >>[D]r3k2r/ppp1Bp1p/2n2p2/7q/3p4/5b2/PPP2PPP/R2QR1K1 w kq - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0: >> >>13.Bxf6+ Kd7 14.Qxf3 Qxf3 15.gxf3 Rhg8+ 16.Kh1 Rg6 17.Bh4 Rag8 18.Re4 >> = (-0.12) Depth: 8 00:00:00 94kN >>13.Bxf6+ Kd7 14.Qxf3 Qxf3 15.gxf3 Rhg8+ 16.Kf1 Rg6 17.Bh4 Rag8 18.Bg3 Nb4 19.Re2 >> = (-0.18) Depth: 9 00:00:00 195kN >>13.Bxf6+ Kd7 14.Qxf3 Qxf3 15.gxf3 Rhg8+ 16.Kf1 Rg6 17.Bh4 Rag8 18.Bg3 Nb4 19.Re2 >> = (-0.18) Depth: 10 00:00:02 509kN >>13.Bxf6+ Kd7 14.Qxf3 Qxf3 15.gxf3 Rhg8+ 16.Kh1 Rg6 17.Bh4 Rag8 18.Rad1 a6 19.Bg3 >>h6 20.Re4 >> = (-0.06) Depth: 11 00:00:04 1171kN >>13.Bxf6+ Kd7 14.Qxf3 Qxf3 15.gxf3 Rhg8+ 16.Kh1 Rg6 17.Bh4 Rag8 18.Rad1 f6 19.Re3 >>f5 20.f4 >> = (-0.10) Depth: 12 00:00:10 2554kN >>13.Bxf6+ Kd7 14.Qxf3 Qxf3 15.gxf3 Rhg8+ 16.Kh1 Rg6 17.Bh4 Rag8 18.Rad1 a6 19.Bg3 >>h6 20.Kg2 f5 21.Re3 >> = (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:24 6135kN >> >>(Blass, Tel-aviv 03.09.2001) >> >> >>Tiger14's analysis after 12.gxf3 Ne7 >>Chess Tiger 14.0 - Blass,U >>[D]r3k2r/ppp1nppp/8/7q/3pN3/5P2/PPP2P1P/R2QR1K1 w kq - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0: >> >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Rxc7 Rac8 >> = (0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:00 87kN >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Rxc7 Rac8 17.Qd7 Rxc7 18.Qxc7 >> = (0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:00 136kN >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Rae1 Qc6 17.Qg4+ Kh8 18.Qf5 >> ² (0.54) Depth: 9 00:00:04 849kN >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Rae1 Kh8 17.Qe4 Rg8+ 18.Kf1 Qh3+ 19.Ke2 >> ² (0.26) Depth: 10 00:00:05 1144kN >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Qd3 Qxd3 17.cxd3 Rac8 18.Rc1 Rfe8 >>19.Rcxc7 Rxc7 20.Rxc7 >> ² (0.34) Depth: 11 00:00:10 2169kN >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Qd3 Qxd3 17.cxd3 Rac8 18.Rc1 Rfe8 >>19.Rcxc7 Rxc7 20.Rxc7 >> ² (0.34) Depth: 12 00:00:18 3899kN >>13.Qxd4 0-0 14.Nf6+ gxf6 15.Rxe7 Qxf3 16.Qd3 Qxd3 17.cxd3 Rac8 18.Rc1 Rfe8 >>19.Rcxc7 Rxc7 20.Rxe8+ Kg7 21.d4 >> ² (0.32) Depth: 13 00:00:40 8741kN >> >>(Blass, Tel-aviv 03.09.2001) >> >>Uri > >I see this. nevertheless is my opinion that for move 12 (after 15 minutes!) >a program must another play and NOT Nf6+, and the score > +0.60 is FANTASY! > >this is now real: > >Neue Stellung > >[D]r5r1/pppk1p1p/2n2B2/8/3p4/5P2/PPP2P1P/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0: > >11.Kf1 Tg6 2.Lh4 Tag8 3.Lg3 Sb4 4.Tad1 c5 5.c3 Sc6 6.cxd4 cxd4 7.Ke2 Ke6 8.Kd3+ >Kd5 9.a3 f5 > = (-0.14) Tiefe: 16 00:03:00 29677kN >1.Kf1 Tg6 2.Lh4 Tag8 3.Ted1 h5 4.Lg3 Kc8 5.Tac1 f5 6.h4 f4 7.Lxf4 Tf6 8.Lg3 Txf3 >9.Ke2 > = (-0.20) Tiefe: 17 00:07:04 72212kN > >Eduard Against Fritz6c is draw after 12. gxf3! Fritz 6c - Nemeth,E [C56] Stufe=120'/40+0'/0+30'., 2001 128MB, general.ctg. P600 1.e4 0 1...e5 2 2.Sf3 0 2...Sc6 3 3.Lc4 0 3...Sf6 4 4.d4 0 4...exd4 2 5.0-0 0 5...Sxe4 2 6.Te1 0 6...d5 3 7.Lxd5 0 7...Dxd5 2 8.Sc3 0 8...Dh5 2 9.Sxe4 0 9...Le7 1 10.Lg5 0 10...Lg4 3 11.Lxe7 0.53/14 273 11...Lxf3 5 12.gxf3 0.44/14 195 12...Sxe7 6 13.Dxd4 0.25/14 177 13...0-0 22 14.Sf6+ 0.03/14 236 14...gxf6 3 15.Txe7 0.03/13 80 15...Dxf3 3 16.Tae1 0.22/14 429 16...Kh8 37 17.T1e3 0.09/14 166 17...Tg8+ 5 18.Kf1 0.06/14 228 18...Dh1+ 71 19.Ke2 0.06/14 0 19...Dc6 3 20.Dc3 0.00/12 165 20...Da6+ 23 21.Kf3 0.00/13 159 21...Dd6 19 22.T3e6 0.00/13 389 22...Dd5+ 123 23.Te4 0.00/13 61 23...Df5+ 12 24.Ke3 0.00/14 348 24...Tad8 78 25.Tf4 0.00/14 202 25...Dh3+ 6 26.f3 0.00/14 244 26...Dxh2 5 27.Txf6 0.00/14 203 27...Tg7 4 28.Tfxf7 0.00/15 296 28...Dg1+ 14 ½-½ [D]3r3k/ppp1RRrp/8/8/8/2Q1KP2/PPP5/6q1 w - - Eduard
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