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Subject: Re: Correspondance chess

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 16:18:43 09/03/01

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On September 03, 2001 at 18:59:29, Christian Kongsted wrote:

>For me it is interesting to hear about your correspondance play because I have
>been playing correspondance chess myself. I dont see what satisfaction you can
>get out of only picking one of the computer programs moves - dont you want to
>use your own creativity?
>
>Sometimes when I have been playing correspondance chess, I can feel that I am
>playing against a computer program. It is not that difficult to spot, it is not
>very interesting either, and my opinion is that the players that trust their
>computers to much wont get very far against good, positional (human) players.
>
>I am very impressed by the new Junior 7, which I consider the best program
>commercially available,



At the moment, in the SSDF test, Junior 7 is being soundly defeated by Gambit
Tiger 2.0 by the score of 17.5 to 11.5.  I know it isn't over until the fat lady
sings, but there is decent evidence that Junior 7 is NOT the best program
commercially available.



>but this program also has problems sometimes, f.ex. to
>hit the right plan in a closed Kings Indian/closed French (or positions like
>that), and endings that require not only calculation, but also planning and
>understanding. Tactically, it is simply amazing, I have to admit that...
>
>My impression is that the strongest players are those that use their own
>intuition to find the right moves, and after that - check his analysis with a
>program.
>
>If correspondance chess is only a matter of picking which program that is
>playing, and who lets the computer think the most time, then I think the idea is
>dead (sorry). But I dont think it is - yet.
>
>I have been playing a few over the board-tournaments lately and used different
>computer programs to analyse the games afterwards (Junior 7, Shredder 5.32 and
>sometimes Hiarcs 7.32, I also have Fritz 6 but dont use it much)
>
>It was not a surprise for me that they were able to spot many tactical
>opportunities, but in some positions they really dont get what is going on
>positionally, even if they get a lot of time. Of course I cant state this as an
>objective fact - I just believe that if I play against an IM or GM and we use a
>lot of time and have a common understanding about the positional factors in the
>positions, then there has to some truth in it...
>
>In the Deep Blue-Kasparov match it is obvious to many chess players that the
>computer made some complete nonsense and tempoloss moves in game 1 of the
>97-match. The program was _extremely strong_ and played fantastic chess in some
>of the other games, but it complete failed to understand the positional aspects
>in the early phase of game 1. Therefore I wouldn't trust it, and I wont blindly
>trust todays programs, even though I know considerable impromevements have been
>made in positions understanding
>
>The strength of the program vary to much, depending on the position they are set
>to analyse. They can play like 2100 in one position and 2800 in another, and
>this is what Deep Blue did as well...



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