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Subject: Re: Refuting nonsense about 64 bits servers/supercomputer chips

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:30:04 09/04/01

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On September 04, 2001 at 03:29:05, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On September 04, 2001 at 02:32:07, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2001 at 21:27:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>No, but you should stop making pronouncements about various processors, based
>>>solely on how your program runs on them.  That is _not_ a good benchmark.  I'll
>>>bet you any amount of money you want that Cray Blitz, in pure fortran, will
>>>run 10x faster than your program, on a cray.  Because that code was designed
>>>to work on a vector architecture, and has specific algorithms designed to take
>>>advantage of that kind of hardware.
>>
>>Just curious, when was the last time you have started Cray Blitz on a Cray?
>>
>>Ed
>
>More to this, see: http://www.top500.org/sublist/index.php3
>
>Which is a top-500 of the fastest installed hardware in the world.
>
>Rank Manufacturer                       (GFlops) Processors
>
>1.   IBM ASCI White,SP Power3 375 MHz   [7226.00] [8192]
>2.   IBM SP Power3 375 MHz 16 way       [2526.00] [2528]
>3.   Intel ASCI Red                     [2379.00] [9632]
>4.   IBM ASCI Blue-Pacific              [2144.00] [5808]
>
>11.  Cray Inc. T3E1200                  [1127.00] [1900]
>
>439. Presto III Athlon 1.333 GHz 	[77.40]   [78]
>
>Interesting is of course the AMD which gets almost 1 GFlop per processor where
>the Cray by far does not get 1 GFlop per processor. Bottom line: isn't your
>beloved Cray out-performed by nowadays micro processors available from your
>local super market?
>
>Ed

Nope.  Ever seen anybody do anything _real_ on a pack of PCs?  And then compare
that to a Cray.  A pack of PCs has a lot of potential performance.  But they
have little interconnect bandwidth.  Some applications will run well on such
clusters.  Many won't run at all.  The Cray is a general-purpose solution to
_any_ problem that will run on a computer.

There is _no_ AMD that will do a gigaflop.  Not sure what number you are looking
at there.  That would require a single cpu to execute one floating point
instruction every nanosecond, sustained.  A PC can't begin to do that, under any
circumstances.



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