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Subject: Re: Refuting nonsense about 64 bits servers/supercomputer chips

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 05:35:04 09/04/01

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On September 04, 2001 at 04:58:50, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On September 04, 2001 at 04:01:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 04, 2001 at 03:29:05, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On September 04, 2001 at 02:32:07, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 03, 2001 at 21:27:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>No, but you should stop making pronouncements about various processors, based
>>>>>solely on how your program runs on them.  That is _not_ a good benchmark.  I'll
>>>>>bet you any amount of money you want that Cray Blitz, in pure fortran, will
>>>>>run 10x faster than your program, on a cray.  Because that code was designed
>>>>>to work on a vector architecture, and has specific algorithms designed to take
>>>>>advantage of that kind of hardware.
>>>>
>>>>Just curious, when was the last time you have started Cray Blitz on a Cray?
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>More to this, see: http://www.top500.org/sublist/index.php3
>>>
>>>Which is a top-500 of the fastest installed hardware in the world.
>>>
>>>Rank Manufacturer                       (GFlops) Processors
>>>
>>>1.   IBM ASCI White,SP Power3 375 MHz   [7226.00] [8192]
>>>2.   IBM SP Power3 375 MHz 16 way       [2526.00] [2528]
>>>3.   Intel ASCI Red                     [2379.00] [9632]
>>>4.   IBM ASCI Blue-Pacific              [2144.00] [5808]
>>>
>>>11.  Cray Inc. T3E1200                  [1127.00] [1900]
>>>
>>>439. Presto III Athlon 1.333 GHz 	[77.40]   [78]
>>>
>>>Interesting is of course the AMD which gets almost 1 GFlop per processor where
>>>the Cray by far does not get 1 GFlop per processor. Bottom line: isn't your
>>>beloved Cray out-performed by nowadays micro processors available from your
>>>local super market?
>>
>>I do not see how it is outperformed.
>>Do you suggest that 1127.00 for cray is outperformed by 77.40
>>for the Athlon or maybe you compare only Gflops per processor
>
>>and in this case
>>1127/1900 is smaller than 77.40/78 for the athlon.
>
>You got it.
>
>


He did, you didn't.  The T3 is a Digital Alpha-based machine.  It is not
the same as a normal vector Cray like the T932, the C90, etc...





>>I also do not understand the meaning of these numbers
>>
>>What is the meaning of 78 processors?
>>Does the commercial athlon has 78 processors and if it does
>>then what is the reason that Deep Fritz is going to use only 8
>>processors against kramnik?
>
>Have a look at the URL I provided and its goals. You will see the Presto III
>is a self-made system.
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>>Uri



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