Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 15:28:23 09/04/01
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On September 04, 2001 at 18:08:15, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >On September 04, 2001 at 15:39:29, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>>snip >> >>>what did you do to your tiger? >>>Are you sure that you use the default parameters? >>>I do not understand why it cannot go deep >>> >>>Here is tiger14 under the chessbase interface >>>Maybe it is a problem of hash tables(I used 48 Mbytes hash) but I cannot believe >>>that hash tables have this big effect) >> >> >> No, it was not the hash tables. I had activated the feature >> "opponent is human". Then Tiger needed 7 sec to avoid 29.Be3? >> When I deactivated it I got about the same output as you. >> Then Tiger got deep much faster but stuck to 29.Be3? Fast but dumb >> in this position. You can try it out in Fritz. >> >> Sune >> >> >>>New game - Deep Fritz >>>[D]4k3/B1p4p/8/p2n1p2/5P2/5P2/1P2K2P/8 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0: >>> >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 Kd7 31.Kd4 Kd6 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.Kb3 Kb5 34.Kc3 Kc6 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 146kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.Kb3 Kb5 34.Kc3 h5 35.Kd3 >>> = (-0.02) Depth: 12 00:00:00 164kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.b3 Kb6 34.h4 h5 35.Kd3 Kc6 >>> = (-0.12) Depth: 13 00:00:00 299kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.h4 a4 34.h5 h6 35.Kd3 Kd6 36.Ke3 >>> = (-0.14) Depth: 14 00:00:01 591kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.b3 Kb6 34.h4 Kc6 35.h5 h6 36.Kc3 >>>Kd5 >>> = (-0.12) Depth: 15 00:00:03 1246kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.h4 a4 34.h5 h6 35.Kd3 Kd5 36.Kc3 >>>Ke6 37.Kc4 >>> = (-0.14) Depth: 16 00:00:06 2125kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.h4 a4 34.h5 h6 35.Kd3 Kd5 36.Kc3 >>>Ke6 37.Kc4 Kd6 >>> = (-0.14) Depth: 17 00:00:13 4407kN >>>29.Be3 Nxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.Kc4 Kc6 33.b3 Kb6 34.h3 Kc6 35.h4 Kb6 >>>36.Kd5 h5 37.Kc4 Kc6 38.Kc3 >>> = (-0.14) Depth: 18 00:00:25 8223kN >>> >>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.09.2001) >>> >>>You can see that my tiger goes deeper in less nodes. >>> >>>Uri > >Yes I played NOT with option Anti-Human. >I ask me, which is the "true" Tiger? >When the true Tiger is with option Anti-Human, then i my opinion it is not >right to say: Anti-Human! Right is "Anti-Computer"! > >(german: Ich frage mich welcher nun der wahre Tiger ist, der mit der Option >Anti-Human oder der ohne diese Option? Wenn insgesamt jener Tiger mit der Option >Anti-Human besser spielt, dann sollte man diese ANTI-Option anders definieren, >nämlich auf "Anti-Computer"! Das würde aber weiter heissen dass der wahre Tiger >nur gegen den Menschen auftritt, während gegen Computer eine auf Computer >"GETUNTE" (!) Version antritt und ich würde das wenn's so ist (?) "Schummeln" >nennen! Dennoch vermag diese Anti-Human option den schwarzen Sieg nach Be3 nicht >zu sehen.) > >Nevertheless, Tiger 14 with option "Anti-Numan" cannot seen the win for black >against Be3! > >Chess Tiger 14.0 - Nemeth,E > >[D]4k3/2p4p/8/p2n1p2/5P2/4BP2/1P2K2P/8 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0 (anti-human): > >29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 16 00:00:16 4116kN >29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 17 00:00:33 8330kN, tb=1 >29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 18 00:01:12 17827kN, tb=7 >29...Kd7 30.Ld2 a4 31.Kd3 c5 32.h4 h6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.Lc1 Sb6+ 35.Kc3 Sd5+ 36.Kc4 > = (0.00) Tiefe: 19 00:02:41 39300kN, tb=74 > >Nxe3 is the win move! > >Eduard Without ANTI-HUMAN: Chess Tiger 14.0 - Nemeth,E 4k3/2p4p/8/p2n1p2/5P2/4BP2/1P2K2P/8 b - - 0 1 Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0 (without anti-human): 29...Sxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.h4 Kc6 33.Kc4 h6 34.h5 a4 35.Kd3 Kb5 36.Kc3 c4 = (-0.20) Tiefe: 15 00:00:04 1062kN 29...Sxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.b3 Kd6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.h4 h5 35.Kd3 = (-0.16) Tiefe: 16 00:00:08 2191kN 29...Sxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.b3 Kd6 33.Kc4 Kc6 34.h4 h5 35.Kd3 Kd6 36.Ke3 c4 37.bxc4 a4 38.Kd4 = (-0.15) Tiefe: 17 00:00:17 4511kN 29...Sxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.b3 Kc6 33.Kc4 Kb6 34.Kd3 h5 35.h4 Kc7 36.Kc3 Kd7 37.Kc4 Kc6 38.Kc3 Kd6 = (-0.14) Tiefe: 18 00:00:35 9321kN 29...Sxe3 30.Kxe3 c5 31.Kd3 Kd7 32.b3 Kc6 33.Kc4 Kb6 34.Kd3 h5 35.h4 Kc7 36.Kc3 Kd6 37.Kd3 Kd7 38.Kc3 Kc7 39.Kd3 = (-0.12) Tiefe: 19 00:01:11 18503kN, tb=9 Tiger win it! Which Tiger is NOW better? Eduard
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