Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:07:04 09/04/01
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On September 04, 2001 at 21:31:16, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On September 04, 2001 at 18:09:47, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On September 04, 2001 at 16:44:35, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >> >>>On September 04, 2001 at 15:49:33, Helmut Conrady wrote: >>> >>>>On September 04, 2001 at 15:27:13, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 04, 2001 at 14:54:56, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 04, 2001 at 14:38:29, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Q: I asked GM Kramnik if the final version of Fritz 7 is not given to him will >>>>>>>the match still be held. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A: GM Kramnik said "The match will be held rain or snow" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"However the fact that i still don't have the final version of Fritz puts me >>>>>>>into disadvantage" >>>>>> >>>>>>The fact that Deep Fritz has not the final version of kramnik and even >>>>>>not a version of kramnik from 2000 puts Fritz into a bigger >>>>>>disadvantage. >>>>> >>>>>Not true, they do have a whole collection of games played by Kramnik >>>>>and the whole repertoire of his openings with virtues and (very few if >>>>>any)defects. >>>>>Kasparov made the same stupid mistake, allowing a match against an opponent >>>>>of which he has no knowledge and nothing on the contract to get a rematch. >>>>>He was so sure he would win... >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Miguel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"I played a few training games with computer and came to the conclusion that >>>>>>>machine is really good." >>>>>> >>>>>>Unfortunately the lateast Deep fritz could not play few training >>>>>>games against kramnik to get the conclusion that kramnik is a really >>>>>>good player. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>A *REAL* match man vs. machine IMO can only take place if Kramnnik could not >>>>examine the engine playing in the match against him. Fritz has no Kramnik-engine >>>>before the match, so Kramnik has a big advantage. >>>> >>>>Helmut >>> >>>A *REAL* match man vs. machine will be one where the machine has to *EARN* >>>the right to challenge the champion. In other words, play against other >>>GMs to either qualify or something like it. When you are a human you have to >>>beat everybody else in tournaments before you challenge the champion. Hence, >>>everybody studied carefully your games as well as you studied the games >>>of your opponents. The machine wants to skip all these steps! that is very >>>unfair. >> >> >>No,the machines does not want to skip these steps. >>Fide does not allow the machine to follow these steps >>This is unfair. > >FIDE has nothing to do with this, Kramnik is not FIDE Champion, >Kasparov was not the FIDE Champion at the time they played DB. Machines usually are not allowed to play against humans because of the decision of humans and not because of the decision of the programmers and this is the point. > >>The conditions that kramnik gets against the machine are clearly better than the >>condition that you suggest. > >Kramnik is the Champion, he has the right to call the shots. He does >not have to "defend" the title, he is risking his prestige, the machine >has everything to win. > >>I believe that a machine has better chances to beat kramnik in the conditions >>that you suggest when it has to beat weaker players but the public including >>kramnik cannot get a copy of something that is similiar. > >If the machine prefers that, the machine can organize some matches against >lesser players, but that is not good business. > >Regards, >Miguel No Programmers are going to be very happy to play in a tournament against humans for the right to play against kramnik. The main problem is that the sponsors do not want it. The machine did not organize the match against kramnik. Other people who are not the programmers decided to organize the match of kramnik against Deep Fritz. Uri
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