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Subject: Re: Morning dance ( Deep Shredder mate in 19 moves ) !

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:56:05 09/05/01

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On September 05, 2001 at 23:17:46, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On September 05, 2001 at 04:08:14, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 2001 at 02:48:19, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>Today the "Ruy Lopez-dance"!
>>>
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>After move 3:
>>>
>>>[D]r1bqkbnr/pppp1pp1/2n5/1B2p2p/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq -
>>>
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz30',P600,128MB"]
>>>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Deep Shredder"]
>>>[Black "Nemeth"]
>>>[ECO "C60"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 {Buch 0s} e5 {1s (c5)} 2. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {9s}
>>>3. Bb5 {Buch 1s} h5 {1s (a6)} 4. O-O {+0.91/12 38s} d6 {6s
>>>(Sf6)} 5. d4 {+0.97/10 10s} Bg4 {13s (Ld7)} 6. dxe5
>>>{+1.65/10 15s} Nh6 {14s (Dd7)} 7. h3 {+2.37/10 33s} g6 {9s
>>>(Ld7)} 8. hxg4 {+2.71/11 42s} hxg4 {4s} 9. Qd5 {+6.12/11
>>>38s} Bg7 {3s} 10. Nd4 {+6.25/11 1:10m} Qh4 {5s (O-O)}
>>>11. g3 {+5.25/9 7:14m} Qh3 {24s (Dh5)} 12. Bxc6+ {+4.55/7
>>>25s} Kf8 {16s} 13. Be8 {+1.03/8 58s} Rxe8 {9s} 14. Ne6+
>>>{-9.85/8 46s} fxe6 {25s} 15. Qc6 {-M17/8 20s} Nf5 {23s
>>>(Sg8)} 16. Bh6 {-M3/11 24s} Rxh6 {2s (Dxh6)} 17. Qxe8+
>>>{-M2/12 22s} Kxe8 {1s} 18. b4 {-M1/11 19s} Qh1# {4s (Dh2+)}
>>>0-1
>>>
>>>Mate:
>>>
>>>[D]4k3/ppp3b1/3pp1pr/4Pn2/1P2P1p1/6P1/P1P2P2/RN3RKq w - -
>>>
>>>Lets dance!
>>>
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>Eduard
>>
>>Deep Fritz disagree with Deep shredder's moves and evaluations
>>10.Bg5 seems to be a simple win for white when 11.g3 seems to be
>>a clearly losing move.
>>Deep Fritz can see g3 Qh3 after 9 seconds in the main line on p800
>>but it seems that Deep shredder can see nothing even after 7 minutes on
>>pentium600 and even expects the wrong move.
>>
>
>Hello Uri!
>When You makes an analysis, then you must this makes with this PROGRAM
>what here play, and not with an another program - this only my opinion!

I wanted to find the losing mistake of Shredder.
I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics so I prefered to use it.
Shredder has the most stupid evaluations that I know.

It also showed more than +5 against Junior and lost the game.

>I played this variation against Fritz 6 too (!) but Fritz 6 played other (!)
>moves after this opening, or not?? Shredder is Shredder and Fritz is FRITZ!
>In the line what Fritz has play (se this another games) he has losing, or not?
>
>What says you for this losing from FRITZ 6 ? ;-)
>
>Eduard

I do not have Fritz6 and only Deep Fritz so if I follow your rules I cannot
analyze your game against Fritz6.

My computer is also busy in analyzing a different position for many hours and I
do not want to stop it.

I wasted enough time on analyzing the positions from your game against shredder
and I do not promise to waste time about analyzing your game with Fritz6.

Uri



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