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Subject: Re: Morning dance ( Deep Shredder mate in 19 moves ) !

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 00:14:19 09/06/01

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On September 06, 2001 at 01:56:05, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 05, 2001 at 23:17:46, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 2001 at 04:08:14, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On September 05, 2001 at 02:48:19, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>Today the "Ruy Lopez-dance"!
>>>>
>>>>:-)
>>>>
>>>>After move 3:
>>>>
>>>>[D]r1bqkbnr/pppp1pp1/2n5/1B2p2p/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Event "Blitz30',P600,128MB"]
>>>>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>[White "Deep Shredder"]
>>>>[Black "Nemeth"]
>>>>[ECO "C60"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 {Buch 0s} e5 {1s (c5)} 2. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {9s}
>>>>3. Bb5 {Buch 1s} h5 {1s (a6)} 4. O-O {+0.91/12 38s} d6 {6s
>>>>(Sf6)} 5. d4 {+0.97/10 10s} Bg4 {13s (Ld7)} 6. dxe5
>>>>{+1.65/10 15s} Nh6 {14s (Dd7)} 7. h3 {+2.37/10 33s} g6 {9s
>>>>(Ld7)} 8. hxg4 {+2.71/11 42s} hxg4 {4s} 9. Qd5 {+6.12/11
>>>>38s} Bg7 {3s} 10. Nd4 {+6.25/11 1:10m} Qh4 {5s (O-O)}
>>>>11. g3 {+5.25/9 7:14m} Qh3 {24s (Dh5)} 12. Bxc6+ {+4.55/7
>>>>25s} Kf8 {16s} 13. Be8 {+1.03/8 58s} Rxe8 {9s} 14. Ne6+
>>>>{-9.85/8 46s} fxe6 {25s} 15. Qc6 {-M17/8 20s} Nf5 {23s
>>>>(Sg8)} 16. Bh6 {-M3/11 24s} Rxh6 {2s (Dxh6)} 17. Qxe8+
>>>>{-M2/12 22s} Kxe8 {1s} 18. b4 {-M1/11 19s} Qh1# {4s (Dh2+)}
>>>>0-1
>>>>
>>>>Mate:
>>>>
>>>>[D]4k3/ppp3b1/3pp1pr/4Pn2/1P2P1p1/6P1/P1P2P2/RN3RKq w - -
>>>>
>>>>Lets dance!
>>>>
>>>>:-)
>>>>
>>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>Deep Fritz disagree with Deep shredder's moves and evaluations
>>>10.Bg5 seems to be a simple win for white when 11.g3 seems to be
>>>a clearly losing move.
>>>Deep Fritz can see g3 Qh3 after 9 seconds in the main line on p800
>>>but it seems that Deep shredder can see nothing even after 7 minutes on
>>>pentium600 and even expects the wrong move.
>>>
>>
>>Hello Uri!
>>When You makes an analysis, then you must this makes with this PROGRAM
>>what here play, and not with an another program - this only my opinion!
>
>I wanted to find the losing mistake of Shredder.

Ok.!

When I play a game with a trojaner then is the trojaner not always correct!
I know this. I know that Shredder is tactical NOT so good like FRITZ !

Interesting was in this game the aspekt that SMK says that Deep Shredder
is "never" to beat with a trojaner (German: SMK hattte gesagt - sogar zu mir -
dass DS mit einem Trojaner nicht mehr zu überlisten ist). Nevertheless I
"beat" DS with an trojaner too - against S5 is this very easy! :)

>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics so I prefered to use it.

Ok, yes this ist true, but Tiger 14 too!

>Shredder has the most stupid evaluations that I know.
>
>It also showed more than +5 against Junior and lost the game.

Yes.

>
>>I played this variation against Fritz 6 too (!) but Fritz 6 played other (!)
>>moves after this opening, or not?? Shredder is Shredder and Fritz is FRITZ!
>>In the line what Fritz has play (se this another games) he has losing, or not?
>>
>>What says you for this losing from FRITZ 6 ? ;-)
>>
>>Eduard
>
>I do not have Fritz6 and only Deep Fritz so if I follow your rules I cannot
>analyze your game against Fritz6.

Aha. I this has not know! Ok. I will next play against DF!
In future then against F7 !

>
>My computer is also busy in analyzing a different position for many hours and I
>do not want to stop it.

Ok.

>
>I wasted enough time on analyzing the positions from your game against shredder
>and I do not promise to waste time about analyzing your game with Fritz6.
>
>Uri

Thank you,
Eduard



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