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Subject: Re: Ruy Lopez dance (3) - with Deep Fritz (Vlady Kramnik look here)!

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 10:19:41 09/06/01

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On September 06, 2001 at 10:19:14, robert flesher wrote:

>My thoughts are...i showed all these games to a friend of mine who is a FIDE
>master. My friend came to one conclusion. He thinks that the human
>opponent(Eduard) is a weak player using a weak players ideas to start an attack.
>Then the attack is helped probably by another computer chess programs analysis.
>Im sorry but ive seen master and International masters try these Anti-computer
>chess idea against these Programs and fail BADLY. To believe a NON rated NON
>master can crush these programs so easy. I smell a RAT. Regards Robert!

But Eduard already admitted in previous posts of him that he uses sometimes
"trial and error" approaches, that involves obviously the well known "takeback"
key...and probably sometimes he take a look to the thinking window too: but I
think that even with these "tricks" his winnings against comps are remarkable.

This is an excerpt from Tim Krabbe' site
http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/diary.htm :

"It is possible that Nemeth (like me) went through some trial-and-error before
he won these games, but that is not the point; the point is that it is possible
to beat the strongest chess programs in the world with the Nemeth Gambit, or
with 1.d4 h5 2.e4 e5.
Of course, computers also find good moves that a human would never think of, and
they're a great help in analysis, but what I want to demonstrate is that they
don't "play chess". As the above games show, they have passed the capturing
test, but they're a long way from passing the Turing test. In spite of all the
blustering about Kramnik who will "defend humanity's honor against the computer"
(Der Spiegel) and "gain revenge for the human race" (The Telegraph), his
upcoming match against some Fritz has, apart from the money involved, no more
significance than a match between a cat and a book for the greatest weight."

Regards.




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