Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 11:47:08 09/06/01
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On September 06, 2001 at 03:14:19, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>On September 06, 2001 at 01:56:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 2001 at 23:17:46, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On September 05, 2001 at 04:08:14, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 05, 2001 at 02:48:19, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Today the "Ruy Lopez-dance"!
>>>>>
>>>>>:-)
>>>>>
>>>>>After move 3:
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]r1bqkbnr/pppp1pp1/2n5/1B2p2p/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Blitz30',P600,128MB"]
>>>>>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Deep Shredder"]
>>>>>[Black "Nemeth"]
>>>>>[ECO "C60"]
>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 {Buch 0s} e5 {1s (c5)} 2. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {9s}
>>>>>3. Bb5 {Buch 1s} h5 {1s (a6)} 4. O-O {+0.91/12 38s} d6 {6s
>>>>>(Sf6)} 5. d4 {+0.97/10 10s} Bg4 {13s (Ld7)} 6. dxe5
>>>>>{+1.65/10 15s} Nh6 {14s (Dd7)} 7. h3 {+2.37/10 33s} g6 {9s
>>>>>(Ld7)} 8. hxg4 {+2.71/11 42s} hxg4 {4s} 9. Qd5 {+6.12/11
>>>>>38s} Bg7 {3s} 10. Nd4 {+6.25/11 1:10m} Qh4 {5s (O-O)}
>>>>>11. g3 {+5.25/9 7:14m} Qh3 {24s (Dh5)} 12. Bxc6+ {+4.55/7
>>>>>25s} Kf8 {16s} 13. Be8 {+1.03/8 58s} Rxe8 {9s} 14. Ne6+
>>>>>{-9.85/8 46s} fxe6 {25s} 15. Qc6 {-M17/8 20s} Nf5 {23s
>>>>>(Sg8)} 16. Bh6 {-M3/11 24s} Rxh6 {2s (Dxh6)} 17. Qxe8+
>>>>>{-M2/12 22s} Kxe8 {1s} 18. b4 {-M1/11 19s} Qh1# {4s (Dh2+)}
>>>>>0-1
>>>>>
>>>>>Mate:
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]4k3/ppp3b1/3pp1pr/4Pn2/1P2P1p1/6P1/P1P2P2/RN3RKq w - -
>>>>>
>>>>>Lets dance!
>>>>>
>>>>>:-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Eduard
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz disagree with Deep shredder's moves and evaluations
>>>>10.Bg5 seems to be a simple win for white when 11.g3 seems to be
>>>>a clearly losing move.
>>>>Deep Fritz can see g3 Qh3 after 9 seconds in the main line on p800
>>>>but it seems that Deep shredder can see nothing even after 7 minutes on
>>>>pentium600 and even expects the wrong move.
>>>>
>>>
Hello Uri,
>>>Hello Uri!
>>>When You makes an analysis, then you must this makes with this PROGRAM
>>>what here play, and not with an another program - this only my opinion!
>>
>>I wanted to find the losing mistake of Shredder.
>
>Ok.!
>
>When I play a game with a trojaner then is the trojaner not always correct!
>I know this. I know that Shredder is tactical NOT so good like FRITZ !
Well, I can tell you that the new version has been improved in tactics.
>
>Interesting was in this game the aspekt that SMK says that Deep Shredder
>is "never" to beat with a trojaner (German: SMK hattte gesagt - sogar zu mir -
>dass DS mit einem Trojaner nicht mehr zu überlisten ist). Nevertheless I
>"beat" DS with an trojaner too - against S5 is this very easy! :)
Well, the play against anti-trojan has been improved starting with Deep
Shredder.
>
>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics so I prefered to use it.
>
>Ok, yes this ist true, but Tiger 14 too!
>
>>Shredder has the most stupid evaluations that I know.
>>
>>It also showed more than +5 against Junior and lost the game.
This is nonsense. The reason why that happened it was due to a wrong info in the
program. We have found out what is wrong and that will be corrected.
Generally speaking the evaluations of Shredder are correct even if generally
high. I am talking about the latest versions which you did not see. Shredder
5.32 is the best commercially available, but the openings book is not so good.
>
>Yes.
>
>>
>>>I played this variation against Fritz 6 too (!) but Fritz 6 played other (!)
>>>moves after this opening, or not?? Shredder is Shredder and Fritz is FRITZ!
>>>In the line what Fritz has play (se this another games) he has losing, or not?
>>>
>>>What says you for this losing from FRITZ 6 ? ;-)
>>>
>>>Eduard
>>
>>I do not have Fritz6 and only Deep Fritz so if I follow your rules I cannot
>>analyze your game against Fritz6.
>
>Aha. I this has not know! Ok. I will next play against DF!
>In future then against F7 !
We are planning new features, too. They will make it harder for you Eduard.
Cannot tell more now. Sorry.
Ciao
Sandro Necchi
>
>>
>>My computer is also busy in analyzing a different position for many hours and I
>>do not want to stop it.
>
>Ok.
>
>>
>>I wasted enough time on analyzing the positions from your game against shredder
>>and I do not promise to waste time about analyzing your game with Fritz6.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Thank you,
>Eduard
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