Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 22:10:09 09/06/01
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On September 06, 2001 at 14:47:08, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>On September 06, 2001 at 03:14:19, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On September 06, 2001 at 01:56:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On September 05, 2001 at 23:17:46, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 05, 2001 at 04:08:14, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 05, 2001 at 02:48:19, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Today the "Ruy Lopez-dance"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After move 3:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]r1bqkbnr/pppp1pp1/2n5/1B2p2p/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "Blitz30',P600,128MB"]
>>>>>>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>>>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>>[White "Deep Shredder"]
>>>>>>[Black "Nemeth"]
>>>>>>[ECO "C60"]
>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. e4 {Buch 0s} e5 {1s (c5)} 2. Nf3 {Buch 0s} Nc6 {9s}
>>>>>>3. Bb5 {Buch 1s} h5 {1s (a6)} 4. O-O {+0.91/12 38s} d6 {6s
>>>>>>(Sf6)} 5. d4 {+0.97/10 10s} Bg4 {13s (Ld7)} 6. dxe5
>>>>>>{+1.65/10 15s} Nh6 {14s (Dd7)} 7. h3 {+2.37/10 33s} g6 {9s
>>>>>>(Ld7)} 8. hxg4 {+2.71/11 42s} hxg4 {4s} 9. Qd5 {+6.12/11
>>>>>>38s} Bg7 {3s} 10. Nd4 {+6.25/11 1:10m} Qh4 {5s (O-O)}
>>>>>>11. g3 {+5.25/9 7:14m} Qh3 {24s (Dh5)} 12. Bxc6+ {+4.55/7
>>>>>>25s} Kf8 {16s} 13. Be8 {+1.03/8 58s} Rxe8 {9s} 14. Ne6+
>>>>>>{-9.85/8 46s} fxe6 {25s} 15. Qc6 {-M17/8 20s} Nf5 {23s
>>>>>>(Sg8)} 16. Bh6 {-M3/11 24s} Rxh6 {2s (Dxh6)} 17. Qxe8+
>>>>>>{-M2/12 22s} Kxe8 {1s} 18. b4 {-M1/11 19s} Qh1# {4s (Dh2+)}
>>>>>>0-1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mate:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]4k3/ppp3b1/3pp1pr/4Pn2/1P2P1p1/6P1/P1P2P2/RN3RKq w - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lets dance!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eduard
>>>>>
>>>>>Deep Fritz disagree with Deep shredder's moves and evaluations
>>>>>10.Bg5 seems to be a simple win for white when 11.g3 seems to be
>>>>>a clearly losing move.
>>>>>Deep Fritz can see g3 Qh3 after 9 seconds in the main line on p800
>>>>>but it seems that Deep shredder can see nothing even after 7 minutes on
>>>>>pentium600 and even expects the wrong move.
>>>>>
>>>>
>
>Hello Uri,
>
>>>>Hello Uri!
>>>>When You makes an analysis, then you must this makes with this PROGRAM
>>>>what here play, and not with an another program - this only my opinion!
>>>
>>>I wanted to find the losing mistake of Shredder.
>>
>>Ok.!
>>
>>When I play a game with a trojaner then is the trojaner not always correct!
>>I know this. I know that Shredder is tactical NOT so good like FRITZ !
>
>Well, I can tell you that the new version has been improved in tactics.
Hello Sandro! Yes I have seen that the new version from Shredder is tactical
better then S5! I see this of the WMCC ! Shredder played with white 1.e4!, with
black 1...c5! Shredder played here very aggressive and strong!
(Auf deutsch: Ich erwarte daher eine taktisch stark verbesserte neue Shredder 6
Version!)
>>
>>Interesting was in this game the aspekt that SMK says that Deep Shredder
>>is "never" to beat with a trojaner (German: SMK hattte gesagt - sogar zu mir -
>>dass DS mit einem Trojaner nicht mehr zu überlisten ist). Nevertheless I
>>"beat" DS with an trojaner too - against S5 is this very easy! :)
>
>Well, the play against anti-trojan has been improved starting with Deep
>Shredder.
Yes! SMK says me this too!
>>
>>>I believe that Deep Fritz is the best in tactics so I prefered to use it.
>>
>>Ok, yes this ist true, but Tiger 14 too!
>>
>>>Shredder has the most stupid evaluations that I know.
>>>
>>>It also showed more than +5 against Junior and lost the game.
>
>This is nonsense. The reason why that happened it was due to a wrong info in the
>program. We have found out what is wrong and that will be corrected.
>Generally speaking the evaluations of Shredder are correct even if generally
>high. I am talking about the latest versions which you did not see. Shredder
>5.32 is the best commercially available, but the openings book is not so good.
Somebody has says, that the new book from S 5.32 and the book from ChessBase
Tiger 14 is identical (it was says in CSS or ChessBits Forum). This is not good,
what Chessbase here make!
(Sorry only german: Ich habe gehört dass das Buch von S 5.32 fast identisch ist
mit dem Buch von Chessbase Tiger 14.0. Aber wie ich von SMK gehört habe, soll
Shredder 6 sowohl mit der CB-GUI als auch mit der normalen Shredder-GUI kommen.
Ich hoffe auf ein gutes Eröffnungsbuch von dir Sandro!)
>
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>>
>>>>I played this variation against Fritz 6 too (!) but Fritz 6 played other (!)
>>>>moves after this opening, or not?? Shredder is Shredder and Fritz is FRITZ!
>>>>In the line what Fritz has play (se this another games) he has losing, or not?
>>>>
>>>>What says you for this losing from FRITZ 6 ? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>I do not have Fritz6 and only Deep Fritz so if I follow your rules I cannot
>>>analyze your game against Fritz6.
>>
>>Aha. I this has not know! Ok. I will next play against DF!
>>In future then against F7 !
>
>We are planning new features, too. They will make it harder for you Eduard.
>Cannot tell more now. Sorry.
Yes, I this know! I would only says that I will from the "Fritz-versions" in
future only the new version play - DF is then never new! :)
(german: natürlich habe ich vor auch gegen die anderen Programme zu spielen das
ist ja logisch! :)
>
>Ciao
>Sandro Necchi
Kind Regards,
Eduard
>
>>
>>>
>>>My computer is also busy in analyzing a different position for many hours and I
>>>do not want to stop it.
>>
>>Ok.
>>
>>>
>>>I wasted enough time on analyzing the positions from your game against shredder
>>>and I do not promise to waste time about analyzing your game with Fritz6.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Eduard
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