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Subject: Re: One mate to solve

Author: Peter Berger

Date: 01:33:47 09/07/01

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On September 06, 2001 at 17:07:59, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On September 06, 2001 at 14:36:18, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>5n2/B3K3/2p2Np1/4k3/7P/3bN1P1/2Prn1P1/1q6 w - - 0 1
>>
>>It is supposed to be a mate in 30 (source unknown to me).
>>
>>Bringer (http://www.reubold.onlinehome.de) announces a mate in 29 after about
>>one minute :
>>
>>0:00:33.6  (11/59)   13872159   5.61  e3-g4  e5-f5  g4-h6  f5-e5  h6-f7  e5-f5
>>f7-d6  f5-e5  f6-g4  e5-d5  c2-c4
>>0:01:16.8  (12/59)   32704069   Matt in 29  e3-g4   (Mat=-1320,50=1)
>>0:01:45.0  (12/59)   49458897   Matt in 29  e3-g4  e5-f5   (Mat=-1320,50=2)
>>
>>What do others think ?
>
>Well, Yace cannot compete here. With some help, it finds a mate in 30 (after 4
>moves, it could see the mate). Here is the line:
>
>  12241895  43.425  Mat30 10.  1.Neg4+ Kf5 2.Nh6+ Ke5 3.Nf7+ Kf5 4.Nd6+ Ke5
>                               5.Ng4+ Kd5 6.Ne3+ Ke5 7.Nf7+ Ke4 8.Ng5+ Ke5
>                               9.Nf3+ Ke4 10.Nxd2+ Ke5 11.Nf3+ Ke4 12.Ng5+ Ke5
>                               13.Nf7+ Ke4 14.Nd6+ Ke5 15.Ng4+ Kd5 16.Nf6+ Ke5
>                               17.Nf7+ Kf5 18.Nh6+ Ke5 19.Nhg4+ Kf5 20.Ne3+
>                               Ke5 21.Nfg4+ Ke4 22.Nf2+ Ke5 23.Nxd3+ Ke4
>                               24.Nf2+ Ke5 25.Nfg4+ Ke4 26.Nf6+ Ke5 27.Nc4+
>                               Kf5 28.Nd6+ Ke5 29.Ng4+ Kd5 30.c4# {-491}
>
>I think, a program that aggressively extends all forced moves could be fast
>finding this.
>
>Can you get a longer PV with Bringer? For example by doing the suggested moves
>on the board.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter

It seems exact mate announcements with more than 16 moves can't be taken too
seriously in the current version.

Bringer's analysis confirms the mate in 30.

Probably it should better announce "Mate soon" ( there is some program that does
that, don't remember which one .. ) - the solution time is excellent though.

Also I wonder about the mate announcement of Angrim's solver (maybe he counts
like Tiger).

5n2/B3K3/2p2Np1/4k3/7P/3bN1P1/2Prn1P1/1q6 w - - 0 1

0:01:17.3  (12/59)   32704069   Matt in 29  e3-g4   (Mat=-1320,50=1)

1. Neg4+ Kf5

0:00:00.1  ( 8/53)      18268   Matt in 29  g4-h6   (Mat=-1320,50=3)
0:00:00.2  ( 8/55)      87183   Matt in 29  g4-h6  f5-e5   (Mat=-1320,50=4)

2. Nh6+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 8/45)       9693   Matt in 29  h6-f7   (Mat=-1320,50=5)
0:00:00.1  ( 8/51)      61633   Matt in 29  h6-f7  e5-f5   (Mat=-1320,50=6)

3. Nf7+ Kf5

0:00:00.1  ( 8/52)      14048   Matt in 28  f7-d6   (Mat=-1320,50=7)
0:00:00.2  ( 8/53)     126088   Matt in 29  f7-d6  f5-e5   (Mat=-1320,50=8)

4. Nd6+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 7/49)      35361   Matt in 29  f6-g4  e5-d5   (Mat=-1320,50=10)

5. Ng4+ Kd5

0:00:00.0  ( 5/29)       1597   Matt in 28  g4-e3   (Mat=-1320,50=11)

6. Ne3+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 3/20)        433   Matt in 29  d6-f7  e5-e4   (Mat=-1320,50=14)

7. Nf7+ Ke4

0:00:00.0  ( 2/10)        137   Matt in 28  f7-g5   (Mat=-1320,50=15)

8. Ng5+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 1/ 3)         35   Matt in 28  g5-f3   (Mat=-1320,50=17)

9. Nf3+ Ke4

0:00:00.0  ( 2/ 7)        230   Matt in 28  f3xd2   (Mat=-800,50=0)

10. Nxd2+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 3/16)        726   Matt in 28  d2-f3   (Mat=-800,50=2)

11. Nf3+ Ke4

0:00:00.0  ( 1/ 4)         55   Matt in 28  f3-g5   (Mat=-800,50=4)

12. Ng5+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 2/ 6)        189   Matt in 28  g5-f7   (Mat=-800,50=6)

13. Nf7+ Ke4

0:00:00.1  ( 5/25)       3625   Matt in 29  f7-d6  e4-e5   (Mat=-800,50=9)

14. Nd6+ Ke5

0:00:00.1  ( 6/33)      13207   Matt in 16  e3-g4  e5-d5   (Mat=-800,50=11)

15. Ng4+ Kd5

0:00:00.0  ( 6/30)       1953   Matt in 15  g4-f6   (Mat=-800,50=12)

16. Nf6+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 5/27)       8096   0.00  f6-g4  e5-d5   (Mat=-800,50=15)
0:00:00.1  ( 5/28)      22651   Matt in 14  d6-f7   (Mat=-800,50=14)

17. Nf7+ Kf5

0:00:00.0  ( 5/26)       6717   Matt in 13  f7-h6   (Mat=-800,50=16)

18. Nh6+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 5/24)       2798   Matt in 12  h6-g4  e5-f5   (Mat=-800,50=19)

19. Nhg4+ Kf5

0:00:00.0  ( 4/22)        668   Matt in 11  g4-e3   (Mat=-800,50=20)

20. Ne3+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 4/21)       3600   Matt in 10  f6-g4   (Mat=-800,50=22)

21. Nfg4+ Ke4

0:00:00.0  ( 4/18)        871   Matt in 9  g4-f2   (Mat=-800,50=24)

22. Nf2+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 4/16)        741   Matt in 8  f2xd3   (Mat=-460,50=0)

23. Nxd3+ Ke4

0:00:00.0  ( 4/14)       1075   Matt in 7  d3-f2  e4-e5   (Mat=-460,50=3)

24. Nf2+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 4/12)        859   Matt in 6  f2-g4  e5-e4   (Mat=-460,50=5)

25. Nfg4+ Ke4

0:00:00.0  ( 3/10)        279   Matt in 5  g4-f6  e4-e5   (Mat=-460,50=7)

26. Nf6+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 3/ 9)        236   Matt in 4  e3-c4   (Mat=-460,50=8)

27. Nc4+ Kf5

0:00:00.0  ( 2/ 6)         94   Matt in 3  c4-d6  f5-e5   (Mat=-460,50=11)

28. Nd6+ Ke5

0:00:00.0  ( 2/ 7)        124   Matt in 2  f6-g4   (Mat=-460,50=12)

29. Ng4+ Kd5

0:00:00.0  ( 1/ 4)         18   Matt in 1  c2-c4   (Mat=-460,50=0)

30. c4++


Bringer has an excellent memory, too :-) . Now I get from the starting position


0:00:00.1  ( 1/ 4)         24   Matt in 29  e3-g4  e5-f5   (Mat=-1320,50=2)

Regards,
pete

PS : What I really disliked it the behaviour at move 17 - I will send this to
Gerrit anyway..



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