Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:08:17 09/07/01
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On September 07, 2001 at 09:43:00, Christopher R. Dorr wrote: >I really do not see these conditions as a huge advantage for Kramnik. > >1. If Kramnik was going to play a serious match against a human GM, he would >study all the games by him/her in depth. seeing games is not the same as having the program. Most human GMs would have hundreds or >thousands of games to study. Deep Fritz does NOT have these games yet. A >reasonable alternative would be to allow the GM to use the program before hand. >The CB team certainly has studied *all* of Kramnik's games closely. I am not sure about it and I doubt if it could help them. I suspect that working on improving the engine could be more productive for them then working on kramnik's games. Chessbase know that Deep Fritz will lose the match and it is totally unimportant for them to waste time about kramnik's games before the match. Why should >the computer have the advantage of knowing the GMs style and weaknesses when the >GM does not get to understand the computers? The computer can know only games of previous version of kramnik so it has nop advantage. kramnik can also get games of previous versions of Fritz and I guess that the difference between Deep Fritz and the Fritz that plays against kramnik is smaller than the difference between the Kramnik who will play against Deep Fritz and the previous kramnik. > >2. Fritz can change it's book at will. If there *are* any 'predetermined' games, >they arise from the opening. Modify the book, elimninate the problem. > >3. And I doubt there could be predetermined games anyway. Think about the >variety of openings. Kramnik is going to *find* and *memorize* killer lines in >everything? As black, he would have to prepare for at least 12 major openings by >white, and literally hundreds of important subvariations (If he chooses to play >a Scheveningen Sicilian, for example, you need to worry about Keres attack with >h3, Keres Attack with Rg1, Classical, Bc4, King's Indian Attack......). And Why do you assume that he chooses sicilian? Choosing openings like 1.e4 h5 makes more sense if you want to win by memorizing games. >remember, there are already very few *big* holes in Fritz's opening book. The >*small* ones Kramnik would find would likely be further down the tree, making it >even more unlikely that he could spring a particular trap. The problem is not holes in the opening book but holes in some positions when kramnik can push the machine to play. > > >Overall, I do not see Kramnik as getting a huge advantage. He didn't get the >source code. He can see the evaluation of Deep Fritz and learns from it about the source code. The program isn't under a 'truth serum'. He has access to it's >play, just as CB has access to all of Kramnik's games. As matches go, I see this >one as fairly equal in it's treatment of the two players. "just as?" Kramnik learned from the games that he played and he is probably not going to do the same kind of mistakes again. Deep Fritz can learn nothing from the games that kramnik can see and not because of a weakness of the program but because of the fact that it cannot know about these games. Kramnik can learn more than seeing games of the machine. If seeing games of the machine was the point that it was enough to give kramnik a printout of Deep fritz games against other machines. Uri
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