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Subject: Re: Passes pawn eval - test position

Author: José Carlos

Date: 02:44:28 09/08/01

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On September 08, 2001 at 04:37:19, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 07, 2001 at 17:19:07, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>  Last night, in one of my test games, Averno played ...Bxf4 in this position
>>(against another program):
>>
>>[D]4R3/p2r3r/1pNbRp2/2p2k1p/2P2PpP/PP4P1/K7/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>  The game ended soon:
>>
>>57. gxf4 g3 58. Re2 Rhg7 59. Re1 g2 60. Rg1 Rd2+ 61. Ka1 Rf2
>>62. Ree1 Kxf4 63. a4 Kg3 64. a5 Rc7 65. Nd8 bxa5 66. Kb1 Kxh4 67. Ka1 Kg3
>>68. Kb1 h4 69. Ne6 Rc6 70. Nd8 Rb6 71. Ne6 Rxb3+
>>{White resigns} 0-1
>>
>>  59. Re1 is a blunder, but I wonder if the sac is correct at all. It seems that
>>59. Rg2 is good enough for white (Averno plays Bxf4 by eval, it doesn't see the
>>pawn queening at all in search). Is my passed pawn eval too high here? What do
>>other programs think?
>>
>>  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>  José C.
>Junior7 on p200MMX
>New position
>4R3/p2r3r/1pNbRp2/2p2k1p/2P2PpP/PP4P1/K7/8 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Junior 7:
>
>1...b5 2.cxb5
>  ±  (1.04)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>1...a5 2.Re1
>  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>1...a6 2.a4 Bc7 3.Re2 Rd1
>  ²  (0.58)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  13kN
>1...Bxf4 2.gxf4 Rd2+ 3.Kb1 g3 4.Re1 Kxf4 5.Ne7 Kg4 6.Ng8 Rf2 7.R8e6 Kxh4 8.Nxf6
>Rf7
>  ²  (0.33)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  44kN
>  =  (-0.02)   Depth: 15   00:01:01  8139kN
>
>Junior7  is not known as a program that overestimate passed pawn
>and I have a position in my correspondence game when I have 3 passed pawns for a
>piece
>and Junior7 is relatively not optimistic(it says similiar scores to Crafty of
>equality when Deep Fritz says 1 pawn advantage for me)
>
>I think that the important point here is the fact that the passed pawns are
>supported by the king.
>
>You can look at the game shredder-Junior from the last WMCCC when shredder
>evaluated it's position as +5 and lost the game.
>
>If your program also evaluates the positions from this game as more than +5 then
>your program is too optimistic about passed pawns.
>
>Here is one of the relevant positions with some small analysis of
>shredder5.32(p200)
>
>
>
>Deep Junior 7 - Shredder
>[D]1r5k/7p/2q2P2/6P1/p2p1N1K/2b1pBP1/8/3Q4 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 5.32:
>
>63...d3 64.Bxc6
>  +-  (2.89)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>  +-  (5.25)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>63...Qd7 64.Bd5 Re8
>  -+  (-4.41)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>  -+  (-5.79)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>63...Qb5 64.Bd5 Re8
>  -+  (-5.80)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>  -+  (-6.00)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>63...Qa6 64.Be2 Qa7 65.Kg4
>  -+  (-6.03)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>  -+  (-6.28)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
>63...Qd7 64.Bd5 a3 65.g4 Re8 66.Kg3
>  -+  (-6.29)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
>  -+  (-6.01)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:01  23kN
>63...Qa6 64.Bd5 Rb2 65.Kg4 a3 66.Ne6
>  -+  (-6.02)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:01  27kN
>  -+  (-6.13)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:02  39kN
>63...Qe8 64.Bd5 a3 65.Qf1 Qe5 66.Qa6 Bb2
>  -+  (-6.14)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:02  53kN
>  -+  (-5.92)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:03  84kN
>
>
>Uri

  Here's Averno's thinking in that position:

Averno v0.33 alfa
(c) 1999-2001 Jose Carlos Martinez Galan


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Tiempo esperado: 142857142.842857

Prof	Eval	Tiempo	  Nodos   PV
----	----	------	--------- ------
1	-1.79	0.00	      46  c6f3
1	-1.53	0.00	      65  ++ e3e2
1	-0.03	0.00	      73  ++ e3e2
1	2.78	0.00	     109  e3e2
1	3.04	0.00	     138  ++ c6c4
1	4.54	0.01	     142  ++ c6c4
1	4.68	0.01	     146  c6c4
1	4.80	0.01	     176  ++ c6b5
1	4.80	0.01	     176  c6b5
1	4.80	0.01	     197--c6b5
2	4.44	0.01	     300  c6b5 f6f7
2	4.55	0.01	     400  ++ c6c4
2	4.55	0.01	     400  c6c4 f3e4
2	4.63	0.01	     611  ++ c6e8
2	4.63	0.01	     611  c6e8 h4h3
2	4.65	0.01	     702  ++ c6d7
2	4.65	0.01	     702  c6d7 f3e4
2	4.65	0.02	     761--c6d7 f3e4
3	4.32	0.02	    2197  c6d7 g5g6 a4a3
3	4.58	0.02	    2962  ++ c6e8
3	4.75	0.03	    3503  ++ c6e8
3	4.75	0.03	    3503  c6e8 f4e2 b8b4
3	4.75	0.03	    3939--c6e8 f4e2 b8b4
4	4.56	0.03	    5071  c6e8 f3h5 e8b5 f6f7
4	4.56	0.05	    8201--c6e8 f3h5 e8b5 f6f7
5	4.42	0.06	   12277  c6e8 f3h5 e8d7 g5g6 a4a3
5	4.64	0.13	   30525  ++ c6a6
5	4.64	0.13	   30525  c6a6 f6f7 a4a3 f4e2 a6c4
5	4.64	0.14	   33373--c6a6 f6f7 a4a3 f4e2 a6c4
6	4.00	0.36	   95473  c6a6 f3e2 a6a5 g5g6 h7g6 f4g6
6	4.19	0.60	  153873  ++ c6b5
6	4.19	0.60	  153873  c6b5 g5g6 h7g6 f4g6 h8h7 d1c2
6	4.19	0.63	  162907--c6b5 g5g6 h7g6 f4g6 h8h7 d1c2
7	3.81	0.91	  240532  c6b5 g5g6 h7g6 f4g6 h8h7 f3e4 b8b6
7	3.86	1.08	  289861  ++ c6a6
7	3.86	1.09	  289861  c6a6 f3e2 a6a5 g5g6 h7g6 f4g6 h8h7
7	4.12	1.37	  371110  ++ c6e8
7	4.31	1.47	  399353  ++ c6e8
7	4.31	1.47	  399353  c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1d3 g6g5 h4g5 e8e5
7	4.31	1.68	  462454--c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1d3 g6g5 h4g5 e8e5
8	2.98	2.69	  739000  c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1h1 b8b5 f3c6 b5b1 h1b1
8	3.24	2.83	  785688  ++ c6a6
8	3.24	4.95	 1362932  ++ c6a6
8	3.24	4.95	 1362932  c6a6 f3e4 b8b2 d1h5 b2h2 f4h3 a6a7 h4g4
8	3.24	11.13	 3033480--c6a6 f3e4 b8b2 d1h5 b2h2 f4h3 a6a7 h4g4
9	3.01	15.52	 4150524  c6a6 f3e4 b8b2 d1h5 b2h2 f4h3 h2h3 h4h3 a6e6
9	3.02	16.64	 4408336  ++ c6e8
9	3.02	16.64	 4408336  c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1d3 g6g5 -
9	3.02	28.68	 7726456--c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1d3 g6g5 -
10	2.98	95.37	26505852  c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1h1 b8b5 f3c6 b5b1 h1b1 e8c6 b1g6
10	2.98	137.19	38058607--c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1h1 b8b5 f3c6 b5b1 h1b1 e8c6 b1g6
11	3.06	146.46	40743305  c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1h1 b8b5 f3c6 e8g8 h4g4 b5h5 f4h5 g8e6
11	3.06	222.09	62298047--c6e8 g5g6 h7g6 d1h1 b8b5 f3c6 e8g8 h4g4 b5h5 f4h5 g8e6

;Mi jugada (26) es: c6e8;
Tiempo restante: 9999999417.33
Totales: Visitados: 165900012   Nulos: 26255037   Cortes Nulos: 14750006
Hash exactos: 359   UBounds: 1128081   LBounds: 10021917   Fallos: 211171225
Hash grabaciones: 44335143 (100%)  No grabaciones: 37621425
Extensiones: Jaque: 15470509  Recaptura: 696629  Null: 171640  Podas Futility:
2800347
Cortes Beta: 34326785  Cortes Beta Primera: 30110644  (87%)
Por segundo: Visitados: 285202




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