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Subject: Re: Torre vs Andersson,Biel 1977

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 20:43:56 09/11/01

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On September 11, 2001 at 11:19:18, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On September 11, 2001 at 09:04:45, José Antônio Fabiano Mendes wrote:
>
>>       Torre vs Andersson,Biel 1977
>>       [D]1r6/1pb1k1p1/4p2p/1p1p4/3Pp2P/1R2P1PB/1P2PK2/8 b
>>       In this position Black played 34...b4!! and GM Torre resigned.
>>       Black threatens 35...Bd6,and if 35.Rxb4 then 35...b5! 36.h5 Bd6
>>       37.Rb3 b4! [followed by Re8,Kd7-c6-b5-a4.]
>>       Very unusual,can the chess programs find that surprising pawn move?
>>       Source[in Italian]:"Giocare Bene per Giocare Meglio" by Enrico Paoli,
>>                           page 163,Mursia 1982,third edition
>>       "la piú imprevista e la piú perfida mossa del torneo dei GM in Biel"
>> [the most unexpected and the most perfidious move from the Biel GM tournament]
>
>Piece of cake.
>
>Ed
>
>==========================================
>
>00:00:01 10.00  0.41   1..Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Kd6 4.Rb3
>                       e5 5.Ra3 Bd8 6.Bg4  (1)
>
>00:00:02 10.14  0.41   1..b4
>00:00:02 10.14  0.58   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Kg2 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4 Ra8 6.h5 Kf6  (2)
>
>00:00:02 11.00  0.63   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Kg2 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4 Ra8 6.h5 Kf6  (2)
>
>00:00:04 12.00  0.64   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Kg2 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4 Ra8 6.h5 Kf6  (3)
>
>00:00:08 13.00  0.64   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Kg2 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4 Rf8 6.Bh5 Kd7 7.Bg4  (6)
>
>00:00:17 14.00  0.66   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Kg2 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4 Rf8 6.h5 Kd7 7.Bh3  (13)
>
>00:00:35 15.00  0.66   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Kg2 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4 Rf8 6.h5 Kd7 7.Bh3  (29)
>
>00:01:15 16.00  0.63   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.h5 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4  (56)
>
>00:02:50 17.00  0.64   1..b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.h5 Bd6
>                       5.Bg4  (132)
>
>
>Positions                :     148.558.187
>Nodes per second         :         863.710

HUM.  What are you using?  Not your flagship Chess Tiger 14.0!  :)

W,S - Chess Tiger 14.0
1r6/1pb1k1p1/4p2p/1p1p4/3Pp2P/1R2P1PB/1P2PK2/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:

1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Bxe6 Rxb2 7.Kf2
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 11   00:00:00  194kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Bxe6 Rxb2
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  268kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Kf2 Rxb2 7.Bxe6 Bb8
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 13   00:00:00  453kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Kf2 Rxb2 7.Bxe6 Bb8 8.Rc8
Kxe6
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 14   00:00:02  1093kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Kf2 Rxb2 7.Bxe6 Bd8 8.Bc8 b5
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 15   00:00:05  2453kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Rg8 4.g4 Ra8 5.Rb3 Ra1 6.Rc3 Kd6 7.h5 Ra2 8.Rc2 b5
9.Kg3 b4
  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 16   00:00:11  5437kN
1...h5 2.Ra3 Bd6 3.Ra5 b4 4.Ra7 b3 5.g4 hxg4 6.Bxg4 Bb4 7.h5 Bc3 8.Ra3 Bxb2
9.Rxb3 Bc1
  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 16   00:00:40  18128kN
1...h5 2.Ra3 b4 3.Ra7 b3 4.Kg2 Bd6 5.Kf2 Bb4 6.g4 hxg4 7.Bxg4 Kd6 8.Bh3 Bd2
9.Ra3 Rf8+ 10.Kg3 Bxe3 11.Rxb3
  µ  (-1.40)   Depth: 17   00:00:53  24214kN
1...h5 2.Ra3
  µ  (-1.40)   Depth: 18   00:00:56  25522kN
1...h5 2.Rxb5 b6 3.Rb3 Ra8 4.Kg2 Kd7 5.Rc3 Bd6 6.Rb3 g5 7.hxg5 Rg8 8.Rxb6 Rxg5
9.Kf2 Kc7 10.Ra6 Bxg3+
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 19   00:03:53  106798kN

(W,  11.08.2001)


What about Gambit Tiger 2.0?

W,S - Gambit Tiger 2.0
1r6/1pb1k1p1/4p2p/1p1p4/3Pp2P/1R2P1PB/1P2PK2/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Gambit Tiger 2.0:

1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Bxe6 Rxb2 7.Kf2
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 11   00:00:00  194kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Bxe6 Rxb2
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  268kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Kf2 Rxb2 7.Bxe6 Bb8
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 13   00:00:00  453kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Kf2 Rxb2 7.Bxe6 Bb8 8.Rc8
Kxe6
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 14   00:00:02  1089kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Ra8 4.Rb3 Ra2 5.Rc3 Kd6 6.Kf2 Rxb2 7.Bxe6 Bd8 8.Bc8 b5
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 15   00:00:05  2436kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Rg8 4.g4 Ra8 5.Rb3 Ra1 6.Rc3 Kd6 7.h5 Ra2 8.Rc2 b5
9.Kg3 b4
  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 16   00:00:12  5394kN
1...h5 2.Ra3 Bd6 3.Ra5 b4 4.Ra7 b3 5.g4 hxg4 6.Bxg4 Bb4 7.h5 Bc3 8.Ra3 Bxb2
9.Rxb3 Bc1
  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 16   00:00:39  17371kN
1...h5 2.Ra3 b4 3.Ra7 b3 4.g4 hxg4 5.Bxg4 Bd6 6.Bh3 Bb4 7.h5 Kd6 8.Bg4 Bd2 9.Ra3
Rf8+ 10.Kg3 Bxe3 11.Rxb3
  µ  (-1.38)   Depth: 17   00:01:00  26415kN

(W,  11.08.2001)


Not there either!

Let's try Shredder 5.32:

W,S - Shredder 5.32
1r6/1pb1k1p1/4p2p/1p1p4/3Pp2P/1R2P1PB/1P2PK2/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 5.32:

1...e5 2.Rxb5
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...e5 2.Rxb5 Rf8+ 3.Kg2 exd4 4.Rxb7
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 e5 3.Rxb5 exd4 4.Rxb7
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 e5 3.Rxb5 exd4 4.Rxb7
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 e5 3.Rxb5 exd4 4.exd4
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 e5 3.Rxb5 exd4 4.exd4
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 Kd7 3.Rxb5 Kc6
  ³  (-0.40)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 g6 3.Rxb5 b6 4.Rb4
  ³  (-0.54)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Kd6 4.b3 g6
  ³  (-0.55)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  16kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Kd6 4.Rb3 g6 5.Rc3
  ³  (-0.49)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  30kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Kd6 4.Rb3 e5 5.Rc3 exd4 6.exd4
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  66kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Kd6 4.Rb3 e5 5.Rc3 exd4 6.exd4
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:00  130kN
1...Rf8+ 2.Kg2 b6 3.Rxb5 Kd6 4.Rb4 g6 5.b3
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:00  210kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Kg2 Bd6 4.Rb3 b4 5.h5 e5 6.dxe5 Bxe5
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:00  268kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.g4 Bd6 4.Rb3 Rf8+ 5.Ke1 b4 6.Kd2
  ³  (-0.70)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:00  285kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Kg2 Bd6 4.Rb3 b4 5.Bg4 Rf8
  µ  (-0.73)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:00  367kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.g4 Bd6 5.Ke1 Rf8 6.Bg2
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 12/24   00:00:00  553kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Bg4 Bd6 4.Rb3 Rf8+ 5.Kg2 b4
  µ  (-0.73)   Depth: 13/25   00:00:01  909kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.g4 Bd6 5.g5 Rf8+ 6.Ke1 hxg5 7.hxg5 Rh8 8.Bg4
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 14/26   00:00:02  1536kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.g4 Bd6 5.g5 Rf8+ 6.Ke1 hxg5 7.hxg5 Rh8 8.Bg4 g6
  µ  (-0.77)   Depth: 15/27   00:00:03  2382kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Bg4 Bd6 5.Kg1 Bxg3 6.Rc3
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 16/28   00:00:07  5382kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.g4 Bd6 5.Bg2 Rf8+ 6.Kg1 Kf6 7.Ra3 bxa3 8.Kf2
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 17/29   00:00:13  9231kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Bf1 Bd6 5.Kg2 g5 6.hxg5 hxg5 7.Kh1
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 18/30   00:00:25  17694kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Bg4 Bd6 5.Bh5 Rf8+ 6.Kg2 Kf6 7.Bg4 Rc8 8.Kf1 Bxg3
9.Rxb4 Bxh4 10.Kg2
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 19/31   00:00:49  33131kN
1...h5 2.Rxb5 b6 3.Rb3 Rf8+ 4.Kg1 Rf6 5.g4 hxg4 6.Kh1 gxh3 7.Ra3
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 19/31   00:01:51  70978kN
1...h5 2.Rxb5 b6 3.Rb3 Rf8+ 4.Kg2 g5 5.hxg5 Rg8 6.Rc3 Bd6 7.Kf2 Rxg5 8.Rc6 b5
  µ  (-1.10)   Depth: 19/31   00:02:12  83749kN
1...h5 2.Rxb5 b6 3.Rb3 Rf8+ 4.Kg2 g5 5.hxg5 Rg8 6.Rc3 Bd6 7.Kf2 Rxg5 8.Rc6 Bxg3+
  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 20/32   00:02:58  112507kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Bg4
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 20/32   00:03:10  119672kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.g4 Bd6 5.Rc3 bxc3 6.bxc3
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 20/32   00:03:27  130492kN
1...b4 2.Rxb4 b5 3.Rb3 b4 4.Bg4 Bd6 5.Kg2 Rf8
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 21/33   00:04:29  168512kN

(W,  11.08.2001)


Much better.  :)



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