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Subject: Re: WAC 100 and Kb3

Author: Janosch Zwerensky

Date: 02:17:40 09/14/01

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>Chess Tiger 14.0 - W,S
>8/k1b5/P4p2/1Pp2p1p/K1P2P1P/8/3B4/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:
>
>1.Kb3 Bd6 2.Kc3 Bb8 3.Kd3 Bc7 4.Ke3 Bb6 5.Bc3 Bd8 6.Kd3 Kb6
>  +-  (3.60)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  212kN
>1.Kb3 Bd6 2.Kc3 Bb8 3.Kd3 Bc7 4.Ke3 Bb6 5.Bc3 Bd8 6.Bb2 Kb6 7.Ba1
>  +-  (3.60)   Depth: 13   00:00:00  261kN
>1.Kb3 Bd6 2.Kc3 Bb8 3.Kd3 Bc7 4.Ke3 Bb6 5.Bc3 Bd8 6.Kd3 Be7 7.Ba5 Bd6
>  +-  (3.64)   Depth: 14   00:00:01  538kN
>1.Kb3 Bd6 2.Kc3 Bb8 3.Kd3 Bc7 4.Ke3 Bb6 5.Bc3 Bd8 6.Kf3 Ka8 7.Bd2 Ka7
>  +-  (3.62)   Depth: 15   00:00:03  1910kN
>1.Be3 Bb6 2.Bc1 Kb8 3.Bb2 Bd8 4.Bc3 Ka7 5.Ba5 Bb6 6.Bxb6+ Kxb6 7.Kb3 Ka7 8.Kc3
>Kb6 9.Kd3
>  +-  (3.94)   Depth: 15   00:00:04  2316kN
>1.Be3 Bb6 2.Bc1 Bc7 3.Ba3 Bb6 4.Kb3 Kb8 5.Kc3 Ka8 6.Kd3 Kb8 7.Ke3 Ka7 8.Bb2 Bd8
>  +-  (3.80)   Depth: 16   00:00:06  3202kN
>1.Be3 Bb6 2.Bf2 Kb8 3.Be1 Ka8 4.Bc3 Bc7 5.Bxf6 Ka7 6.Be7 Bb6 7.Kb3 Kb8 8.Kc3 Ka8
>9.Kd2
>  +-  (4.26)   Depth: 17   00:00:15  8305kN
>1.Be3
>  +-  (5.16)   Depth: 18   00:00:23  12408kN, tb=3
>1.Be3
>  +-  (5.16)   Depth: 19   00:00:37  19326kN, tb=8
>1.Be3
>  +-  (6.06)   Depth: 19   00:00:44  22979kN, tb=9
>1.Be3
>  +-  (6.06)   Depth: 19   00:00:53  27904kN, tb=9
>
>(W,  13.08.2001)
>
>*Look at that eval!!!*

That's strange. I always thought GambitTiger and ChessTiger aren't supposed to
give different analysis in endgames, but here apparently they do:

8/k1b5/P4p2/1Pp2p1p/K1P2P1P/8/3B4/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Gambit Tiger 2.0:

1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Le3 6.a7+ Kb7
  +-  (2.66)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:00  57kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Ld4 Ld2 6.Kb5 Kc7 7.Lxf6 Lxf4
  +-  (2.98)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:00  77kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 Ka8 5.Kb5 Ld6 6.c5 Lc7 7.c6
  +-  (2.98)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:00  112kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Ld4 Ld2 6.Kb5 Lxf4 7.Lxf6
  +-  (2.94)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:01  228kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Ld4 Ld2 6.Kb5 Lxf4 7.Lxf6 Lc7 8.c5
  +-  (2.94)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:03  539kN
1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Lg3 6.Kb5 Lxh4 7.b7 Lg3 8.Kxc5
  +-  (3.10)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:04  620kN
1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Lg3 6.Kb5 Lxh4 7.Kxc5 f4 8.a7+ Kb7
  +-  (3.25)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:07  1131kN
1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Lg3 6.Kb5 f4 7.b7 f3 8.Kc6 Ka7
9.Lc7 Lxc7 10.Kxc7
  +-  (3.26)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:15  2211kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Le1 6.Kd7 La5 7.Ke6 Lc3 8.Kxf5
Kb8 9.a7+
  +-  (3.92)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:16  2314kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Le1 6.Kd7 La5 7.Ke6 Kb8 8.Kxf5
Le1 9.a7+ Kb7 10.Kxf6
  +-  (4.30)   Tiefe: 17   00:00:25  3742kN
1.b6+
  +-  (5.20)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:44  6488kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Kb8 6.Ke6 Ld8 7.Kxf5 Ka8 8.Kg6
Kb8 9.Kxh5 La5 10.a7+
  +-  (5.36)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:47  6992kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7
  +-  (5.36)   Tiefe: 19   00:01:41  14182kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Kb8 6.Ke6 Ka8 7.Kxf6 Ld8+ 8.Kxf5
Lxh4 9.Kg6 Le1
  +-  (5.44)   Tiefe: 20   00:02:19  19669kN

But then I also get analysis different from yours if I'm using ChessTiger:

8/k1b5/P4p2/1Pp2p1p/K1P2P1P/8/3B4/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:

1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Le3 6.a7+ Kb7
  +-  (2.66)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:00  64kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Ld4 Ld2 6.Kb5 Kc7 7.Lxf6 Lxf4
  +-  (2.98)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:00  77kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 Ka8 5.Kb5 Ld6 6.c5 Lc7 7.c6
  +-  (2.98)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:00  112kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Ld4 Ld2 6.Kb5 Lxf4 7.Lxf6
  +-  (2.94)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:01  228kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Kb8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Ld4 Ld2 6.Kb5 Lxf4 7.Lxf6 Lc7 8.c5
  +-  (2.94)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:03  539kN
1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Lg3 6.Kb5 Lxh4 7.b7 Lg3 8.Kxc5
  +-  (3.10)   Tiefe: 14   00:00:04  620kN
1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Lg3 6.Kb5 Lxh4 7.Kxc5 f4 8.a7+ Kb7
  +-  (3.25)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:07  1131kN
1.Le3 Lb6 2.Lf2 Kb8 3.Le1 Lc7 4.La5 Lxf4 5.b6 Lg3 6.Kb5 f4 7.b7 f3 8.Kc6 Ka7
9.Lc7 Lxc7 10.Kxc7
  +-  (3.26)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:15  2211kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Le1 6.Kd7 La5 7.Ke6 Lc3 8.Kxf5
Kb8 9.a7+
  +-  (3.92)   Tiefe: 16   00:00:16  2314kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Le1 6.Kd7 La5 7.Ke6 Kb8 8.Kxf5
Le1 9.a7+ Kb7 10.Kxf6
  +-  (4.30)   Tiefe: 17   00:00:25  3742kN
1.b6+
  +-  (5.20)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:45  6488kN
1.b6+ Lxb6 2.Kb5 Lc7 3.Le3 Ka8 4.Kxc5 La5 5.Kd6 Kb8 6.Ke6 Ld8 7.Kxf5 Ka8 8.Kg6
Kb8 9.Kxh5 La5 10.a7+
  +-  (5.36)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:49  6992kN

I'd suspect the differences between mine and your analysis are down to different
hashtable size settings or something like that....

Regards,
Janosch.


Regards,
Janosch.



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