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Subject: Re: A test position from Fisher-Geller

Author: John Merlino

Date: 12:31:16 09/16/01

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On September 15, 2001 at 23:37:17, Uri Blass wrote:

>How much time do your programs need to find 19.Qf1?
>
>Fisher said about this move in his book:"My 60 Memorable games"
>"A hard move to find it took around 45 minutes"
>
>Deep Fritz on PIII850(64 Mbytes hash) needed more than 2 hours to find this move
>and even after more than 5 hours it cannot se that the line 19.Qf1 Nxe4 is a
>clear advantage for white.
>
>Deep Fritz missed 24.h4 in it's main line.
>
>Note that fisher did not find this move in the game for the right reason and the
>proof is that he could not find 20.Qf4 later after 19.Qf1 Nxe4
>
>Even after the game Fisher did not understand the position.
>Fisher claimed in his book that 20.a3(after 19.Qf1 Nxe4) is the losing move and
>I guess that he is wrong because of the line 20.a3 Qb7 21.Rh5(a move that fisher
>did not play)
>
>Fisher also missed 21...Nf6 for black in his analysis after 20.Qf4 cxb2 21.Rh5.
>
>The game continued 20.a3? Qb7 21.Qf4? Ba4 22.Qg4 Bf6 23.Rxf6? Bxb3 0-1
>
>
>
>[D]3r1r1k/p3bPpp/2bp1n2/5R2/1q1BP3/1Bp5/PPP1Q1PP/1K1R4 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Deep Fritz:
>
>19.Rxf6--
>  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>19.Rxf6-- Bxf6
>  -+  (-2.41)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>19.Bxf6!
>  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>19.Bxf6! Bxf6
>  µ  (-1.31)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>19.Bxc3!
>  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>19.Bxc3! Qxe4
>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>19.Bxc3 Qxe4 20.Qxe4
>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 2/11   00:00:00
>19.Bxc3 Qxe4 20.Qxe4 Nxe4
>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00  2kN
>19.Bxc3 Qb7 20.Ba5 Rc8
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  4kN
>19.Bxc3--
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00  16kN
>19.Bxc3-- Qb7 20.Ba5 Rb8 21.e5 dxe5
>  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00  20kN
>19.Qa6!
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 5/25   00:00:00  65kN
>19.Qa6! Bb7 20.Qa5 Qxa5 21.Rxa5 a6
>  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 5/25   00:00:00  78kN
>19.Qa6 Bd7 20.bxc3 Qb8 21.Qxa7 Rxf7 22.Qxb8
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 6/23   00:00:00  135kN
>19.Qa6 Bd7 20.bxc3 Qb8 21.Qxa7 Rxf7 22.Qxb8 Rxb8
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  378kN
>19.Qa6 Nxe4 20.Qxc6 Nd2+ 21.Kc1 Qxd4 22.Qxc3 Qe4 23.Rf2 Nxb3+ 24.Qxb3
>  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:01  947kN
>19.Bxc3!
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:01  1032kN
>19.Bxc3! Qb7 20.e5 dxe5 21.Rxd8 Bxd8 22.Bxe5 Bxg2 23.Be6
>  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:01  1086kN
>19.Bxc3 Qxe4 20.Qxe4 Bxe4 21.Ra5 Rd7 22.Bd4 d5 23.Ba4 Rb7
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:03  2605kN
>19.Bxc3 Qxe4 20.Qxe4 Bxe4 21.Ra5 Rd7 22.Be6 Rc7 23.g4 d5 24.g5
>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:06  4607kN
>19.Bxc3 Qxe4 20.Qxe4 Bxe4 21.Ra5 Rd7 22.Be6 Rc7 23.g4 Bf3 24.Rd4 d5
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 11/25   00:00:23  17080kN
>19.Bxc3 Qxe4 20.Qxe4 Bxe4 21.Ra5 Rd7 22.Ra6 Rb7 23.Bxf6 gxf6 24.g3 Kg7
>  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:53  39714kN
>19.Rg5!
>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 12/34   00:02:47  125446kN
>19.Rg5! Rxf7 20.Bxc3 Qxe4 21.Qa6 Bb7 22.Qa5 Rdf8 23.Bxf7 Rxf7
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 12/35   00:03:26  155498kN
>19.Rg5 d5 20.Bxc3 Qxe4 21.Qxe4 dxe4 22.Kc1 a6 23.Rxd8 Rxd8
>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 13/35   00:05:57  271203kN
>19.Rg5--
>  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 14/37   00:18:48  738720kN
>19.Rg5-- Rxf7 20.Bxc3 Qxe4 21.Qa6 Bb7 22.Qxa7 Nd5 23.Bxd5
>  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 14/38   00:23:59  908592kN
>19.Bxc3!
>  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 14/38   00:24:11  914830kN
>19.Bxc3! Qxe4 20.Qxe4 Bxe4 21.Ra5 Rd7 22.Be6 Rc7 23.Rd2 Bg6 24.Bd4 Bxf7
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 14/38   00:25:56  968438kN
>19.Qf2!
>  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 14/38   00:45:24  1600946kN
>19.Qf2! Nxe4 20.Qf4 Ba8 21.a3 Qb7 22.Qh6 Bf6 23.Rxf6 Nxf6
>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 14/39   00:48:54  1714211kN
>19.Qf2 Ng4 20.Qf3 Ne5 21.Bxc3 Qxe4 22.Bxe5 Qxf3 23.Bxg7+ Kxg7
>  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 15/41   01:24:59  2893693kN
>19.Qf1!
>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 15/41   02:15:25  4535899kN
>19.Qf1! Nxe4 20.Qf4 Ba8 21.Rh5 Nf6 22.Rxh7+ Kxh7 23.Qh4+
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/41   02:26:05  4880153kN
>19.Qf1 Nxe4 20.Qf4 cxb2 21.Rh5 Nf6 22.Rh6 Ne4 23.Qf5 Ng5 24.Qg4
>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 16/43   02:51:59  5710543kN
>19.Qf1 Nxe4 20.Qf4 cxb2 21.Rh5 Nf6 22.Rh6 Ne4 23.Qf5 Ng5 24.Qg4
>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 17/46   05:09:19  10158100kN
>
>(blass, tel-aviv 16.09.2001)
>
>Uri

On my PIII-733, Chessmaster 8000 (default personality) finds 1.Qf1 in just under
49 minutes:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	0.24	5198		1. bxc3 Qb7 2. e5 Ne4 3. e6
0:01	2/5	-0.36	29820		1. a3 Qb7 2. Bxc3 Bxe4 3. Rb5 Qc6
0:02	2/6	-0.30	102473		1. a3 Qb7 2. Bxc3 Bxe4 3. Rb5 Qd7
0:05	3/7	-0.50	336830		1. a3 Qb7 2. Bxc3 Bxe4 3. Rb5 Qc6
					4. Ra5 d5 5. Rxa7 Rxf7
0:14	3/7	-0.45	999492		1. Bxc3 Qxe4 2. Qxe4 Nxe4 3. Ba5
					Rb8 4. Bd5 Bxd5 5. Rdxd5
0:17	3/8	-0.49	1287882		1. Bxc3 Qxe4 2. Qxe4 Bxe4 3. Ra5
					Rd7 4. Be6 Rc7 5. Rd2 d5
1:08	4/9	-0.39	5190952		1. Bxc3 Qxe4 2. Qxe4 Nxe4 3. Bd4
					Nc5 4. Bd5 Bxd5 5. Rxd5 Rc8 6. Rf5
3:48	4/10	-0.60	18106825	1. Bxc3 Qxe4 2. Qxe4 Bxe4 3. Ra5
					Rd7 4. Be6 Rc7 5. Rd2 Bg6 6. Bxf6
					Bxf6
5:17	4/10	-0.22	25138586	1. Rg5 Rxf7 2. Bxc3 Qxe4 3. Qa6
					Rdf8 4. Bxf7 Rxf7 5. Qxa7 Qe2 6.
					Qb8+ Rf8
14:20	5/11	-0.20	70812437	1. Rg5 Rxf7 2. Bxc3 Qxe4 3. Qa6
					Rdf8 4. Bxf7 Rxf7 5. Qxa7 Nd7 6.
					Rg3 Ne5 7. Bxe5 dxe5
48:58	5/11	-0.17	242188849	1. Qf1 Nxe4 2. Qf4 cxb2 3. Rh5
					Nf6 4. Rxh7+ Nxh7 5. Bxg7+ Kxg7
					6. Qxb4 Bf6 7. Qg4+ Ng5 8. Bd5 Bd7
1:14:18	6/12	-0.12	374044615	1. Qf1 Nxe4 2. Qf4 cxb2 3. Rh5
					Nf6 4. Rh6 Qb5 5. Rxf6 Qe2 6. Rd2
					Qe1+ 7. Kxb2 Bxf6 8. Bxf6

jm



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