Author: Jeremiah Penery
Date: 10:17:52 09/17/01
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On September 16, 2001 at 21:28:06, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On September 14, 2001 at 03:28:39, Jeremiah Penery wrote: > >you're replacing good components by crap components. I used the _exact_ same components as you. >Why on earth would someone who buys a dual athlon use a $200 monitor >which sucks bigtime, which gets you soon bigger classes, ?? You can get a pretty good 19" monitor here for $200. I'm sorry if you can't. >and why would you buy system without scsi? I gave the price for the motherboard _with_ SCSI support. >Why on earth take a small 20gigs harddisk which do not even >get sold here anymore? They only sell bigger harddisks here AFAIK. They do sell them. But fine, get a bigger one. 40GB is only about $100 or so. >If i just install a few programs i already need 30 gigs of harddisk >space. You're just making up numbers here. >- compiler ==> 4 gigs MSVC++ 6 Pro takes about 200Mb, not 4Gb. >- windows ==> 2 gigs Win2k Pro takes about 1Gb, not 2. >- nalimov egtbs ==> 7.5 gigs 7Gb, not 7.5 >- diep egtbs ==> 1 gig >- databases ==> 2x 1 gig each Database programs are also not that big. >- other programs with book onboard ==> 1 gig each I doubt they're this big either. >- a few mp3s ==> 3 gig > >I still didn't count old files, source code and everything >related to that. Some space to create a few huge files for testing >how fast i can generate a 6 men. > >It doesn't fit in 20 gigs. I have a 30Gb hard drive. I have Microsoft Office, Corel Office, Windows2k, MSVC++ 6 Pro, some very large game installs (AOE2, Planescape, etc.), all 5-piece Nalimov TBs, and 7Gb of MP3s, not to mention a ton of other junk. I still have 12.4Gb _free_ on the disk. It's not my fault you can't manage disk space well, but it can be done. >I still didn't install any normal games which nearly every person on >earth except a few nerds like me put them on harddisk! Yeah, I do. But I have plenty of disk space. >Of course i can get a very old keyboard and such, but that's complete >idiocy. Decent keyboards are not expensive. I have a $15 keyboard that has lasted me 5 years, and still works perfectly. > Note that i would be amazed if you can get your parts before >the end of the year for your price, like your power supply. No >way you can get it soon for the prices you show here! I could have it delivered here within a week. >Note that in netherlands we have extra tax of 19% on computer components >(and nearly all non-food components) which also makes price slightly >higher here. If you have a package shipped from the US via UPS/DHC/whatever, how do they know if it contains computer components in order to tax it? >BTW WHERE do you find MP processors for 116 dollar >from 1.4Ghz deliverable within say a week? I told you where all my prices came from... >I mean i would get them today there, because those processors >cost $350 each here. To get 1.2Ghz MP processors that took me months. Again, it can be done easily enough here in the US. I'm sorry if you can't do it in the Netherlands. >>On September 13, 2001 at 21:27:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>to build the ultimate dual chess system. here is what you would need >>>as an example. >>> >>>I'm using the S2462SCSI as an example here and using the prices as >>>found at www.comptechworld.nl >> >>I will use prices found at www.pricewatch.com, in US Dollars, _including_ >>shipping. >> >>>AMD Athlon MP 1400mhz Socket A (266FSB) 116 x 2 = 232 >>>Corsair DDR 256MB PC 2100 Cas 2,5 Reg 79 x 4 = 316 >>>2 cpu coolers 18 x 2 = 36 >> >>I couldn't immediately find a price, and of course I don't have any idea what >>kind of CPU cooler you are looking at. $36 seems quite reasonable, so I will >>leave it. >> >>>60 GB U100 harddrive (7200 RPM) 145 x 1 = 145 >>>HDD cooler (definitely needed for egtb) 31 x 1 = 31 >>>Tyan S2462 Thunder K7 Dual AMD 760MP 410 x 1 = 410 >> >>You didn't specify which one (there are 3 models - I chose the S2462UNG, which >>is the middle one - it has SCSI support. The S2462NG can be gotten for $360.) >> >>>19 inch Iiyama HA901D 3 jaar on-site garantuee = 450 >> >>Your price of 667 Euro is horrendously expensive for a 19" monitor. Since I >>can't find any reference to the model number HA901D (either on Pricewatch or on >>Iiyama's own website) I picked the Iiyama A902MT 19". If I chose a different >>19" monitor, the price could be as low as $200. >> >>>Sony 16x48x DVD IDE 56 x 1 = 56 >>>Logitech cordless desktop OPTICAL! (mouse+keyboard) = 80 >>>sony diskdrive 1.44 floppy = 15 >> >>I'm not sure why you even need this anymore, but the price is so low it doesn't >>matter anyway. >> >>>Addtronics 7890A server case (bit bigger than bigtwr) = 145 >> >>One of the recommended cases from the Tyan K7 Thunder page is the Antec SX800. >>I can get it for $65. The Evercase ECS5000 _with_ the special 460W Power Supply >>is a little more than $200. I leave your price of $145 because that's about the >>same prices I find for the same case you mention. >> >>>PSU 460 watts = 102 >> >>This price is for the "NMB MP SD025A460WSW AMD Palomino Power Supply 460W >>PS2-180 Tyan S2462". It includes shipping. This is one of the recommended >>power supplies from Tyan's K7 Thunder page. > >>>total: 3848 euro. Remove 9% and you have dollars. >> >>Total: $2018. If I pick a more reasonable case/monitor/etc. this goes down to >>$1650 or so. Is this not close enough to $1500 to suit your taste? Knock off >>your expensive cordless mouse/keyboard, and you're below $1600. There are a >>couple of other minor things that can be reduced slightly, but this is enough >>for me. >> >>>Who was talking about 1500us$? >>> >>>Of course i can get the mainboard for under 1500us$. >>> >>>If you redenate like some dudes did below in some threads, >>>who claim it's us$1500, then i can even get it cheaper. >>>I can get any dual AMd for under 20 dollar even if i just get the >>>1.44 diskdrive which i need for it! >>> >>>It's nonsense to only talk about a part of the price without >>>listing all basic components. Of course you're not going to >>>use a 2 gigabyte harddisk in such a system. Of course you're >> >>No, 20GB is plenty, and you can get a 7200RMP 20GB drive for $85, which would >>reduce my system price to right about $1500, when you take my other reductions >>into account. > > >>>not going to work with a 1985 produced mouse that still needs >>>a comport at a complete and brand new system. Of course you don't >>>go work with a $5 keyboard which you can throw away tomorrow. >> >>You can get a Logitech optical mouse for $20. A decent keyboard (which _will_ >>last a decent amount of time) costs about $20 as well. Even if it fails, it's >>not like it causes the end of the world. >> >>>I still didn't put in into this system >>> - a fast 3d graphics card. The build in ATI-rage is hell slow card. >> >>Ok, add $120 for a GeForce 2 GTS Pro 64MB card. >> >>> - a sound card >> >>SoundBlaster Live! for $32. >> >>> - software >> >>This depends on what software you're looking for, and what you don't have >>already. I would think most people building a computer already have most >>software they need, from a previous computer. If not, there _are_ cheaper >>software solutions available (Linux, etc.) than MS software. In any case, >>adding software has nothing to do with physically building the machine.
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