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Subject: Re: Three hard positions g4! found

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 16:42:20 09/18/01

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On September 18, 2001 at 13:44:33, Janosch Zwerensky wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>I don't expect that currently any program can solve one of these problems given
>less than weeks of reflection time, but I'd like to know anyway what different
>progs say:
>
>[D] 8/8/8/5Bp1/7k/7P/4pPK1/8 b - - 0 1
>
>Here, 1. ... g4 is the only way for black to win, since everything else (except
>for 1. ... e1N, which obviously doesn't win) leaves white with the possibility
>of responding with 2.Bg4! which permanently locks up black's king and thus
>secures the draw.
>Does any program find 1. ... g4! within a reasonable amount of time?

Reasonable amount of time?  NO.  But I did find it.  WITH CRAFTY!

White(1): epdpfga test.epd test.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1   ID: test.1
end-game phase
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 60:00 (60:00)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
starting thread 1
               11     1.01  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 <HT>
               11->   1.26  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 <HT>
               12     1.39  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg2 Qf4 <HT>
               12->   1.62  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg2 Qf4 <HT>
               13     1.81  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg2 Qf4 <HT>
         (3)   13->   2.45  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg2 Qf4 <HT>
         (2)   14     2.89  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg2 Qf4
         (4)   14->   3.86  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg2 Qf4
         (3)   15     4.06  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qe5+ 8. Kg2 Qd5+ <HT>
         (4)   15->   5.97  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qe5+ 8. Kg2 Qd5+ <HT>
         (3)   16     6.73  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qe5+ 8. Kg2 Qd5+ <HT>
         (4)   16->  10.08  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qe5+ 8. Kg2 Qd5+ <HT>
         (3)   17    10.86  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa6+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb7+ <HT>
         (3)   17->  14.75  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa6+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb7+ <HT>
         (2)   18    16.23  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qe5 10. Kg2 Qf4
         (4)   18->  23.58  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qe5 10. Kg2 Qf4
         (3)   19    25.31  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qe5 10. Kg2 Qe4
                                    11. Kh2 Qf4+ 12. Kg2
         (4)   19->  33.56  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qe5 10. Kg2 Qe4
                                    11. Kh2 Qf4+ 12. Kg2
         (3)   20    36.42  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Kh2 Qe4 <HT>
         (4)   20->  54.36  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Kh2 Qe4 <HT>
         (3)   21    59.73  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qf5 12. Bg4 Qf4
         (3)   21->   1:24  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qf5 12. Bg4 Qf4
         (2)   22     1:36  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qf5 12. Bg4 Qe4+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qf4+ 14. Kg2
         (3)   22->   2:34  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qf5 12. Bg4 Qe4+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qf4+ 14. Kg2
         (2)   23     2:46  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qf5 12. Bg4 Qe4+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qe5+ 14. Kg2 Qf4
         (3)   23->   4:34  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qf5 12. Bg4 Qe4+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qe5+ 14. Kg2 Qf4
         (2)   24     5:11  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qg6 12. Bg4 Qc6+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qf6 14. Kg2 Qf4
         (4)   24->  10:41  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qg6 12. Bg4 Qc6+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qf6 14. Kg2 Qf4
         (3)   25    11:57  -5.20   1. ... e1=Q 2. Bg4 Qe5 3. Bf3 Qf4 4.
                                    Bg4 Qd2 5. Bf3 Qd7 6. Bg4 Qd5+ 7. Kh2
                                    Qf7 8. Kg1 Qf6 9. Kf1 Qa1+ 10. Kg2
                                    Qb1 11. Bf3 Qg6 12. Bg4 Qc6+ 13. Kh2
                                    Qc2 14. Kg2 Qe4+ 15. Kh2 Qf4+ 16. Kg2
               25    14:30     ++   1. ... g4!!
               25    18:30    1/6*  1. ... g4

I will also find the others.  :)


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