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Subject: Re: Latest 2 positions of GCP's WAC II

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 01:31:51 09/21/01

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On September 21, 2001 at 03:48:15, José Carlos wrote:

>  In a recent post, GCP said there were only 2 unclear postions in the test:
>
>[D]rnb2rk1/pp2bppp/2p5/q7/4NN2/4B1QP/PPP3P1/2KR3R w - -
>
>  Where the solution was Rd5. My program likes Nf5 and another poster confirmed
>it with Crafty. Here's my output:
>
>Averno v0.33 alfa
>(c) 1999-2001 Jose Carlos Martinez Galan
>
>Prof	Eval	Tiempo	  Nodos   PV
>----	----	------	--------- ------
>1	-3.62	0.01	      60  e3a7
>1	-3.36	0.01	      68  ++ f4e2
>1	-2.17	0.01	      83  ++ f4e2
>1	-2.17	0.02	      83  f4e2
>1	-2.16	0.02	     109  ++ f4d3
>1	-2.16	0.02	     109  f4d3
>1	-1.90	0.02	     180  ++ e4c3
>1	-1.14	0.02	     191  ++ e4c3
>1	-1.14	0.02	     191  e4c3
>1	-0.99	0.02	     250  ++ e3d4
>1	-0.99	0.02	     250  e3d4
>1	-0.99	0.02	     277--e3d4
>2	-0.75	0.02	     544  e3d4 f7f6
>2	-0.75	0.03	    1041--e3d4 f7f6
>3	-0.76	0.03	    2031  e3d4 f7f6 c1b1
>3	-0.76	0.03	    3445--e3d4 f7f6 c1b1
>4	-0.82	0.05	    7068  e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8
>4	-0.82	0.05	   10457--e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8
>5	-0.80	0.09	   21918  e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6
>5	-0.80	0.13	   38733--e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6
>6	-0.75	0.21	   67564  e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 c8e6
>6	-0.75	0.37	  130022--e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 c8e6
>7	-0.88	0.65	  244040  e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 c8e6 b3e6
>7	-0.62	2.25	  898599  ++ f4d5
>7	-0.47	2.45	  983726  ++ f4d5
>7	-0.47	2.45	  983726  f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5
>7	-0.47	2.84	 1174917--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5
>8	-0.22	3.52	 1459721  ++ f4d5
>8	0.20	4.42	 1888647  f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 f7f6 e5e7 f8d8
>8	0.20	5.52	 2485269--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 f7f6 e5e7 f8d8
>9	0.44	8.83	 3985925  f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5 f8d8 e4f6
>9	0.44	13.63	 6552531--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5 f8d8 -
>10	0.69	18.26	 8551329  ++ f4d5
>10	1.13	33.42	15545914  f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 c8g4 g3g4 g7g6 h6f8 e7f8 g4g5 a5a2
>10	1.13	52.23	25568647--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 c8g4 g3g4 g7g6 h6f8 e7f8 g4g5 a5a2
>11	1.22	113.53	54210948  f4d5 e7h4 e4f6 h4f6 d5f6 g8h8 g3d6 f8g8 f6g8 e7f6 g4b4
>11	1.22	156.99	77456517--f4d5 e7h4 e4f6 h4f6 d5f6 g8h8 g3d6 f8g8 f6g8 -
>12	1.47	275.44	127364848  ++ f4d5
>12	1.47	283.09	130905479  f4d5 c6d5 e3g5 a5a2 d5c7 a2a1 c1d2 a1a5 d2d3 c8f5 e3d2
>a5a2
>
>;Mi jugada (26) es: f4d5;
>Tiempo restante: 9999999580.03
>Totales: Visitados: 195100005   Nulos: 14471431   Cortes Nulos: 7544928
>Hash exactos: 111   UBounds: 370479   LBounds: 6153041   Fallos: 298487605
>Hash grabaciones: 24941629 (100%)  No grabaciones: 19868735
>Extensiones: Jaque: 7837812  Recaptura: 724570  Null: 187484  Peon_7: 6446
>Cortes Beta: 17678118  Cortes Beta Primera: 16196690  (91%)  Podas Futility:
>20474449
>Por segundo: Visitados: 465659

I have e-mailed GCP stating that I have put hours of research into this, and
believe the solution to be a CLEAR Nd5!

Rd5 fails because of Qc7!

1. Nd5 cxd5 2. Bh6 is winning pretty big for white.

>
>
>[D]4r2k/pppb2pp/2np2q1/3B4/2P2P2/1PB1R1P1/PQ5P/6K1 w - - 0 1
>
>  Now, the solution seems to be f5, which my program agrees, but other posters
>have claimed that Rxe8 is a simple transposition. My output:
>
>Averno v0.33 alfa
>(c) 1999-2001 Jose Carlos Martinez Galan
>
>Prof	Eval	Tiempo	  Nodos   PV
>----	----	------	--------- ------
>1	0.32	0.02	      70  e3e8
>1	0.32	0.02	     170--e3e8
>2	0.57	0.02	     280  ++ e3e8
>2	0.58	0.02	     331  e3e8 d7e8
>2	0.58	0.03	    2560--e3e8 d7e8
>3	0.47	0.03	    3618  e3e8 d7e8 g1h1
>3	0.50	0.04	    5693  ++ f4f5
>3	0.50	0.04	    5693  f4f5 g6h6 e3e8
>3	0.50	0.04	    7429--f4f5 g6h6 e3e8
>4	0.26	0.07	   15654  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8
>4	0.52	0.07	   16273  ++ e3e8
>4	0.52	0.07	   17853  ++ e3e8
>4	0.52	0.07	   17853  e3e8 d7e8 e3e8 d7e8
>4	0.52	0.08	   21517--e3e8 d7e8 -
>5	0.48	0.10	   26958  e3e8 d7e8 g1h1 g6h6 f4f5
>5	0.55	0.12	   36751  ++ f4f5
>5	0.55	0.13	   36751  f4f5 g6g4 d5f3 g4g5 e3e8
>5	0.55	0.16	   49790--f4f5 g6g4 d5f3 g4g5 e3e8
>6	0.80	0.19	   61849  ++ f4f5
>6	1.30	0.21	   73840  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7
>6	1.30	0.24	   88532--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7
>7	1.30	0.29	  117254  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6
>7	1.30	0.44	  194283--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6
>8	1.30	0.69	  332916  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8
>8	1.30	0.77	  389233--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8
>9	1.55	0.89	  463492  ++ f4f5
>9	2.78	1.33	  706144  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6
>9	2.78	1.59	  883977--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6
>10	2.85	2.37	 1321891  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 h8g8
>10	2.85	2.93	 1693268--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 h8g8
>11	2.81	5.55	 3015101  f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 e8f7 c6b7
>11	2.81	8.04	 4452636--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 e8f7 c6b7
>12	2.86	18.28	 9655423  f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 h8g8 c6b7
>f8h6
>12	2.86	22.46	12241934--f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 -
>13	2.96	59.17	29073521  f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 d5b7
>e8b8 b7e4
>13	2.96	69.37	35176147--f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 d5b7
>e8b8 b7e4
>14	2.90	114.52	58046499  f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 b2f2
>e8e7 d5b7 e7g7
>14	2.90	159.50	81733314--f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 b2f2
>e8e7 d5b7 e7g7
>
>;Mi jugada (26) es: f4f5;
>Tiempo restante: 9999999142.06
>Totales: Visitados: 104200015   Nulos: 9365269   Cortes Nulos: 5244474
>Hash exactos: 576   UBounds: 429959   LBounds: 7155604   Fallos: 155271203
>Hash grabaciones: 16532399 (100%)  No grabaciones: 11956739
>Extensiones: Jaque: 3740635  Recaptura: 516496  Null: 135115  Peon_7: 233195
>Cortes Beta: 10900086  Cortes Beta Primera: 9974393  (91%)  Podas Futility:
>12360771
>Por segundo: Visitados: 121594
>
>  Anyone can confirm this? If the second has two equivalent solutions, it should
>be better removed from the test, IMO.
>
>  José C.

I haven't looked very deeply into this problem.  However, f5 seems correct.

Simply because whites rook becomes a valuable piece in the end, and makes it a
lot easier to mate.

Compare:

 1.f5 Qh6 2.Bxg7+ Qxg7 3.f6 Qf8 4.f7+ Ne5 5.fxe8Q Qxe8 6.Qf2 Qe7 1-0

with

 1.Rxe8+ Bxe8 2.f5 Qh6 3.f6 Qe3+ 4.Kf1 Ne5 5.Bxe5 dxe5 6.f7 Bxf7 7.Bxf7 g6 8.Qf2
Qd3+ 9.Kg2 Qe4+ 10.Kh3 Kg7 11.Bd5 Qf5+ 12.Qxf5 gxf5 1-0


Basically, do you want to be up a rook or a bishop?  :)


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