Author: José Carlos
Date: 02:20:40 09/21/01
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On September 21, 2001 at 04:31:51, Slater Wold wrote: >On September 21, 2001 at 03:48:15, José Carlos wrote: > >> In a recent post, GCP said there were only 2 unclear postions in the test: >> >>[D]rnb2rk1/pp2bppp/2p5/q7/4NN2/4B1QP/PPP3P1/2KR3R w - - >> >> Where the solution was Rd5. My program likes Nf5 and another poster confirmed >>it with Crafty. Here's my output: >> >>Averno v0.33 alfa >>(c) 1999-2001 Jose Carlos Martinez Galan >> >>Prof Eval Tiempo Nodos PV >>---- ---- ------ --------- ------ >>1 -3.62 0.01 60 e3a7 >>1 -3.36 0.01 68 ++ f4e2 >>1 -2.17 0.01 83 ++ f4e2 >>1 -2.17 0.02 83 f4e2 >>1 -2.16 0.02 109 ++ f4d3 >>1 -2.16 0.02 109 f4d3 >>1 -1.90 0.02 180 ++ e4c3 >>1 -1.14 0.02 191 ++ e4c3 >>1 -1.14 0.02 191 e4c3 >>1 -0.99 0.02 250 ++ e3d4 >>1 -0.99 0.02 250 e3d4 >>1 -0.99 0.02 277--e3d4 >>2 -0.75 0.02 544 e3d4 f7f6 >>2 -0.75 0.03 1041--e3d4 f7f6 >>3 -0.76 0.03 2031 e3d4 f7f6 c1b1 >>3 -0.76 0.03 3445--e3d4 f7f6 c1b1 >>4 -0.82 0.05 7068 e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 >>4 -0.82 0.05 10457--e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 >>5 -0.80 0.09 21918 e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 >>5 -0.80 0.13 38733--e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 >>6 -0.75 0.21 67564 e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 c8e6 >>6 -0.75 0.37 130022--e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 c8e6 >>7 -0.88 0.65 244040 e3d4 f7f6 g3b3 g8h8 f4e6 c8e6 b3e6 >>7 -0.62 2.25 898599 ++ f4d5 >>7 -0.47 2.45 983726 ++ f4d5 >>7 -0.47 2.45 983726 f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5 >>7 -0.47 2.84 1174917--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5 >>8 -0.22 3.52 1459721 ++ f4d5 >>8 0.20 4.42 1888647 f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 f7f6 e5e7 f8d8 >>8 0.20 5.52 2485269--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 f7f6 e5e7 f8d8 >>9 0.44 8.83 3985925 f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5 f8d8 e4f6 >>9 0.44 13.63 6552531--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 g7g6 g3e5 e7g5 e4g5 f8d8 - >>10 0.69 18.26 8551329 ++ f4d5 >>10 1.13 33.42 15545914 f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 c8g4 g3g4 g7g6 h6f8 e7f8 g4g5 a5a2 >>10 1.13 52.23 25568647--f4d5 c6d5 e3h6 c8g4 g3g4 g7g6 h6f8 e7f8 g4g5 a5a2 >>11 1.22 113.53 54210948 f4d5 e7h4 e4f6 h4f6 d5f6 g8h8 g3d6 f8g8 f6g8 e7f6 g4b4 >>11 1.22 156.99 77456517--f4d5 e7h4 e4f6 h4f6 d5f6 g8h8 g3d6 f8g8 f6g8 - >>12 1.47 275.44 127364848 ++ f4d5 >>12 1.47 283.09 130905479 f4d5 c6d5 e3g5 a5a2 d5c7 a2a1 c1d2 a1a5 d2d3 c8f5 e3d2 >>a5a2 >> >>;Mi jugada (26) es: f4d5; >>Tiempo restante: 9999999580.03 >>Totales: Visitados: 195100005 Nulos: 14471431 Cortes Nulos: 7544928 >>Hash exactos: 111 UBounds: 370479 LBounds: 6153041 Fallos: 298487605 >>Hash grabaciones: 24941629 (100%) No grabaciones: 19868735 >>Extensiones: Jaque: 7837812 Recaptura: 724570 Null: 187484 Peon_7: 6446 >>Cortes Beta: 17678118 Cortes Beta Primera: 16196690 (91%) Podas Futility: >>20474449 >>Por segundo: Visitados: 465659 > >I have e-mailed GCP stating that I have put hours of research into this, and >believe the solution to be a CLEAR Nd5! > >Rd5 fails because of Qc7! > >1. Nd5 cxd5 2. Bh6 is winning pretty big for white. > >> >> >>[D]4r2k/pppb2pp/2np2q1/3B4/2P2P2/1PB1R1P1/PQ5P/6K1 w - - 0 1 >> >> Now, the solution seems to be f5, which my program agrees, but other posters >>have claimed that Rxe8 is a simple transposition. My output: >> >>Averno v0.33 alfa >>(c) 1999-2001 Jose Carlos Martinez Galan >> >>Prof Eval Tiempo Nodos PV >>---- ---- ------ --------- ------ >>1 0.32 0.02 70 e3e8 >>1 0.32 0.02 170--e3e8 >>2 0.57 0.02 280 ++ e3e8 >>2 0.58 0.02 331 e3e8 d7e8 >>2 0.58 0.03 2560--e3e8 d7e8 >>3 0.47 0.03 3618 e3e8 d7e8 g1h1 >>3 0.50 0.04 5693 ++ f4f5 >>3 0.50 0.04 5693 f4f5 g6h6 e3e8 >>3 0.50 0.04 7429--f4f5 g6h6 e3e8 >>4 0.26 0.07 15654 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 >>4 0.52 0.07 16273 ++ e3e8 >>4 0.52 0.07 17853 ++ e3e8 >>4 0.52 0.07 17853 e3e8 d7e8 e3e8 d7e8 >>4 0.52 0.08 21517--e3e8 d7e8 - >>5 0.48 0.10 26958 e3e8 d7e8 g1h1 g6h6 f4f5 >>5 0.55 0.12 36751 ++ f4f5 >>5 0.55 0.13 36751 f4f5 g6g4 d5f3 g4g5 e3e8 >>5 0.55 0.16 49790--f4f5 g6g4 d5f3 g4g5 e3e8 >>6 0.80 0.19 61849 ++ f4f5 >>6 1.30 0.21 73840 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 >>6 1.30 0.24 88532--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 >>7 1.30 0.29 117254 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 >>7 1.30 0.44 194283--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 >>8 1.30 0.69 332916 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 >>8 1.30 0.77 389233--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 >>9 1.55 0.89 463492 ++ f4f5 >>9 2.78 1.33 706144 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 >>9 2.78 1.59 883977--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 >>10 2.85 2.37 1321891 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 h8g8 >>10 2.85 2.93 1693268--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 h8g8 >>11 2.81 5.55 3015101 f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 e8f7 c6b7 >>11 2.81 8.04 4452636--f4f5 g6g4 e3e8 d7e8 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 e8f7 c6b7 >>12 2.86 18.28 9655423 f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 d5c6 h8g8 c6b7 >>f8h6 >>12 2.86 22.46 12241934--f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 - >>13 2.96 59.17 29073521 f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 d5b7 >>e8b8 b7e4 >>13 2.96 69.37 35176147--f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 d5b7 >>e8b8 b7e4 >>14 2.90 114.52 58046499 f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 b2f2 >>e8e7 d5b7 e7g7 >>14 2.90 159.50 81733314--f4f5 g6g4 c3g7 g4g7 f5f6 g7f8 f6f7 c6e5 f7e8Q f8e8 b2f2 >>e8e7 d5b7 e7g7 >> >>;Mi jugada (26) es: f4f5; >>Tiempo restante: 9999999142.06 >>Totales: Visitados: 104200015 Nulos: 9365269 Cortes Nulos: 5244474 >>Hash exactos: 576 UBounds: 429959 LBounds: 7155604 Fallos: 155271203 >>Hash grabaciones: 16532399 (100%) No grabaciones: 11956739 >>Extensiones: Jaque: 3740635 Recaptura: 516496 Null: 135115 Peon_7: 233195 >>Cortes Beta: 10900086 Cortes Beta Primera: 9974393 (91%) Podas Futility: >>12360771 >>Por segundo: Visitados: 121594 >> >> Anyone can confirm this? If the second has two equivalent solutions, it should >>be better removed from the test, IMO. >> >> José C. > >I haven't looked very deeply into this problem. However, f5 seems correct. > >Simply because whites rook becomes a valuable piece in the end, and makes it a >lot easier to mate. > >Compare: > > 1.f5 Qh6 2.Bxg7+ Qxg7 3.f6 Qf8 4.f7+ Ne5 5.fxe8Q Qxe8 6.Qf2 Qe7 1-0 > >with > > 1.Rxe8+ Bxe8 2.f5 Qh6 3.f6 Qe3+ 4.Kf1 Ne5 5.Bxe5 dxe5 6.f7 Bxf7 7.Bxf7 g6 8.Qf2 >Qd3+ 9.Kg2 Qe4+ 10.Kh3 Kg7 11.Bd5 Qf5+ 12.Qxf5 gxf5 1-0 > > >Basically, do you want to be up a rook or a bishop? :) > > >Slate Thanks. In the first problem I made a typo. I meant Nd5, of course, as you confirm (and my program shows - f4d5). José C.
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