Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:06:43 09/22/01
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On September 22, 2001 at 10:14:11, Thomas Mayer wrote: >Hi Gian-Carlo, > >here is a game to that issue: > >[Event "1st Intl. CSVN Trn."] >[Site "Leiden NED"] >[Date "2001.05.20"] >[Round "07"] >[White "Tao"] >[Black "Quark"] >[Result "1-0"] > >1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. f4 Nxe4 4. Nc3 Nd6 5. Bb3 exf4 6. Nf3 Be7 7. Ne5 >Bh4+ 8. g3 fxg3 9. O-O gxh2+ 10. Kh1 O-O 11. Qh5 Bf6 12. d4 b6 13. Kxh2 Ba6 >14. Rf3 Bxe5+ 15. dxe5 g6 16. Qh6 Qe7 17. exd6 Qxd6+ 18. Bf4 Qd4 19. Ne4 >Bf1 20. Raxf1 >1-0 > > >Quark fall in a booktrap here... last bookmove of Tao was 12. d4 (Quark was >after 3. f4 out of book) Well too late already for book traps here IMHO everything loses here. Is this a position where there is a best move for black anyway? All moves i get slowly white positive here! From +3.xx for black i jump down at 10 ply here to 1.xx and a few ply more it's a complete crush of black! Not only to do with position i think , especially tactics here. >Position after 12. d4 >[D]rnbq1rk1/pppp1ppp/3n1b2/4N2Q/3P4/1BN5/PPP4p/R1B2R1K b - d3 0 12 > >And now take Yace as black and let your own program try to win that with >different time controls. Black is lost in this position, but that is not so easy >for white to discover (You will have scores from white about -3, but that is not >the problem - it must find the win, not the correct score) > >I have tested this with several engines, e.g. Crafty failes, Shredder failes >etc. - Gambit Tiger won quite easily... (Yace was always black) new Quark can >equalize, with longer time controls it win... > >The results may differ concerning your time control, but I think if this >position occurs any engine should win this with white if it has around 15 >minutes for the rest of the game... in fact not many can... :) >Because of that, I think this is a nice test for king-safety and how it works... >(Known as quite good in king safety is for example Phalanx - and well, it does >also a good job here... older Quarks do very very bad, because they do not see >the attacking potential here... > >Greets, Thomas
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